“It’s time for Apple to fix texting” • Hacker News Board

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

sunsetandlabrea wrote: post #22

This is pretty disingenuous I think. Other than Android who is using RCS? Why can't I message between WhatsApp and an RCS client. Or any other chat technology, how about Google Chat to RCS, or Slack to RCS, or anything else. Their examples for 'the modern standard adopted by most of the mobile world': Motorola, OnePlus, Google Pixel, Samsung, Snapdragon are all providers of Android phones, so clearly they would use t…

It's no different than half a dozen web "standards" Google invented like Web Serial, WebUSB, Web MIDI, etc. Google implemented it on their monopoly platform, and then declared it a "standard" and started getting their staff to start trying to shame everyone else for not adopting it as such.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by kramerger » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

sunsetandlabrea wrote: post #22

This is pretty disingenuous I think. Other than Android who is using RCS? Why can't I message between WhatsApp and an RCS client. Or any other chat technology, how about Google Chat to RCS, or Slack to RCS, or anything else. Their examples for 'the modern standard adopted by most of the mobile world': Motorola, OnePlus, Google Pixel, Samsung, Snapdragon are all providers of Android phones, so clearly they would use t…

> Other than Android who is using RCS?

Don't forget Android has over 80% world-wide market share.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by kitsunesoba » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:11 PM UTC

willio58 wrote: post #25

From what I’m seeing RCS just isn’t a true solution. Apple and Google should come together to create a standard outside of the carriers.

Absolutely agree. Carriers have no rightful place in the discussion, they’re dumb data pipes and shouldn’t be able to nickel and dime customers on messaging quotas and features, as RCS is designed to allow.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by kitsunesoba » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:13 PM UTC

throwayawya11 wrote: post #24

Maybe Google should enable push notification support again for Mail.app Gmail users too.

Or even just make Gmail’s IMAP support properly spec compliant instead of requiring third party clients to hack around its nonstandard behaviors.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by londons_explore » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

lostgame wrote: post #3

I can’t take this site seriously. It says it’s ‘not about’ the green and blue bubbles. It is , and it’s largely that Apple has a vested interest in making their ecosystem look so much better in general. If I’m texting my friends with an Android and group chat, etc; isn’t working properly - I will automatically assume something about Android is broken, because it works perfectly to my other friends who use iPhones. Ap…

> This is a waste of a call to action.

Agreed. I can't imagine what the decision makers at Google thought this webpage would do? Will it suddenly make Apple implement RCS - I think not...

The only thing that might make Apple make open messaging in the near future is the threat of the EU mandating it via the Digital Services Act. And those platform rules apply equally to any app with more than 45 million people - so iMessage, Whatsapp, Messenger, Instagram, Tiktok, Twitter, etc.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #13

It's also time for Google to fix texting. Google Voice still doesn't support RCS despite people asking for it for many years. It would be great if someone just copied this web page and filled in Google and Google Voice everywhere it talks about Apple and iMessage, but I get the feeling that Google doesn't even care how embarrassing it is.

It's more embarrassing than that: For most of the time I used Google Voice, it couldn't even forward MMS. I used Google Voice as my primary number for years, and I had to tell people that I couldn't receive group texts or pictures, which always got me weird puzzled looks.

And of course, now they've removed SMS forwarding entirely, and basically completely made the service useless/redundant. I'm glad I ported my main number out years ago.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by KerrAvon » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

I mean, there are many people who would prefer an iPhone if you could only run Android on it -- including, apparently, the European Commission.

But Apple doesn't make commodity hardware.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by sunsetandlabrea » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

kramerger wrote: post #32

sunsetandlabrea wrote: post #22

This is pretty disingenuous I think. Other than Android who is using RCS? Why can't I message between WhatsApp and an RCS client. Or any other chat technology, how about Google Chat to RCS, or Slack to RCS, or anything else. Their examples for 'the modern standard adopted by most of the mobile world': Motorola, OnePlus, Google Pixel, Samsung, Snapdragon are all providers of Android phones, so clearly they would use t…

> Other than Android who is using RCS? Don't forget Android has over 80% world-wide market share.

This is like saying Windows is the standard operating system.

My point still stands they are saying adopt our technology, but being disingenuous by calling it a standard.

Besides that how many people are using WhatsApp instead on both iPhone and Android.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by sudden_dystopia » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:14 PM UTC

I have never experienced blurry photos or videos as this alleges. I hate read receipts and typing bubbles anyway. I do agree that Apples group chats are highly annoying. Personally, I think it is Androids text platform that is bloated and inferior.

Re: “It’s time for Apple to fix texting”

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Post by Daunk » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 4:16 PM UTC

I haven't called a "normal" phone call or used SMS/MMS in many many years. Everyone I know (or care about rather) uses Telegram, and it's been great for us all.