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Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by quickthrower2 »

simondotau wrote: post #245
etskinner wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They kind of do store the internet though, don't they? They store a cached version of most pages.

Yeah but pages are HTML and HTML compresses extremely well. With the latest algorithms you could probably get as low as one byte per page. Probably even better with a decent middle-out compression algorithm. (Also yes, you are correct within the realm of reality, but not within the realm of comedy.) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_and

Just take the “middle” out if the web. If it is more than 50kb excluding images but including css and scripts, just ignore that page.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by BurningPenguin »

coffeeblack wrote: post #260
BurningPenguin wrote: post #255

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Only if you want to read Russian propaganda.

Probably depends what you are searching for. Some sql or Go topic should be fine. Info in NATO probably not. Then again, there are topics that are full of propaganda on Google too, sadly.

Google simply shows you what it thinks you want to see, as long as nobody (with money) complains. Yandex shows you what the Russian state wants you to see. And they aren't even subtle.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by stackbutterflow »

prox wrote: post #251
cowmoo728 wrote: post #227

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One time I was sitting in the New York metropolitan opera and heard Javier Camarena give an encore performance, which is quite rare. Immediately after the encore, it went to intermission. Once I walked out to the lobby, I checked his Wikipedia article on my phone and it had already been updated to note that he had just done an encore performance at the Met. It was insane how fast it was.

So likely an editor was in the room?

Or the singer himself or one of his agent did it.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by whimsicalism »

BurningPenguin wrote: post #262
coffeeblack wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably depends what you are searching for. Some sql or Go topic should be fine. Info in NATO probably not. Then again, there are topics that are full of propaganda on Google too, sadly.

Google simply shows you what it thinks you want to see, as long as nobody (with money) complains. Yandex shows you what the Russian state wants you to see. And they aren't even subtle.

Do you have an example? A simple search of information around the Russia-Ukraine conflict has Yandex actively suggesting I search for the "Russian-Ukraine war" (despite references to a war being illegal in Russia) and the first result is a Russian wikipedia article that seems, if anything, pro-Ukraine.

Looking up "Putin election" delivers me several prominent articles saying Russia's most recent election was fraudulent.

I'm guessing it is different if you are actually based in mainland Russia and using Yandex, but it does not seem so tilted as you are suggesting for Western, english users.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by coffeeblack »

BurningPenguin wrote: post #262
coffeeblack wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably depends what you are searching for. Some sql or Go topic should be fine. Info in NATO probably not. Then again, there are topics that are full of propaganda on Google too, sadly.

Google simply shows you what it thinks you want to see, as long as nobody (with money) complains. Yandex shows you what the Russian state wants you to see. And they aren't even subtle.

Google too seems to ideologically clean up certain search results.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by herendin »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #223
jimmygrapes wrote: post #135

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Probably referring to this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/three-people-in-critical-c... (sorry for msn link, archiving on phone is rough)

Yes, that. People downvote anything these days.

>People downvote anything these days.

Maybe because you said something crudely insensitive in a community that might know the victims, and definitely includes people who do similar jobs?

I hope none of your friends or family ever get char broiled.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by coffeeblack »

whimsicalism wrote: post #264
BurningPenguin wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google simply shows you what it thinks you want to see, as long as nobody (with money) complains. Yandex shows you what the Russian state wants you to see. And they aren't even subtle.

Do you have an example? A simple search of information around the Russia-Ukraine conflict has Yandex actively suggesting I search for the "Russian-Ukraine war" (despite references to a war being illegal in Russia) and the first result is a Russian wikipedia article that seems, if anything, pro-Ukraine. Looking up "Putin election" delivers me several prominent articles saying Russia's most recent election was fraudule…

Interesting, I never used Yandex tbh. I thought it was under indirect state control, like vk and others. Will try to use it more often to see what results it has.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by execveat »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #259
quickthrower2 wrote: post #256

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Yellow address bar when getting near to expiration would also work, right without changes to what expiration means. Then people using SSL will renew earlier to avoid embarrassment.

That's also arguably acceptable, yes, though the renewal timeline is already quite aggressive if you aren't able to use ACME for whatever particular reason. I have yet to see any example of a real security risk involving a barely expired certificate. It seems that we invented a way to make the web extremely fragile for... really no good reason.

Without HSTS browser might fall back to HTTP which would disclose passwords and sessions leading to account compromise. I'm a penetration tester / red teamer and we do this all the time.

DEFCON has been hosting a Wall of Sheep since forever. They capture and analyze traffic then publish the leaked credentials and other fun stuff. Apparently it's still going: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZabsNgMHCM . Here's your example.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by tnova »

Nihmie wrote: post #249
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #239

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At AWS, if the status changes then someone somewhere gets fired, so a lot of time incidents happen without being recorded on the status board. Maybe it’s the same issue with GCP, or maybe concern for their injured peers made everyone forget to update the status. I really hope the later.

It used to be that one of the best things about working at Google was the "blameless postmortem". As long as you are able to learn from an incident and weren't attempting to look at private data, then you could write up a postmortem document and actually use that as part of a promotion packet. Google would loose a key part of its soul if they were to change that.

AWS has a process like that as well, it’s called a COE. GP is either misinformed or making stuff up.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

#270

Post by josephcsible »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #244
josephcsible wrote: post #242

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But HSTS absolutely should be used for production websites.

It really shouldn't. HSTS is a harmful specification which both robs user agency and prohibits good service uptime. In 100% of all cases HSTS is in play, it's pretty much a cert that expired yesterday (aka, not actually a security risk). In exchange for this problem, HSTS demands that browsers stop acting as user agents and refuse to operate , no matter what the user says. It allows the server to dictate what the bro…

> HSTS should be considered hostile and not recommended until amended with the removal of the "no user agency" clause.

Have you seen the new malicious websites with fake CAPTCHAs that say "click allow to this dialog box to prove you're human"? If you give nontechnical users an easy way to bypass a security check, the bad guys will just tell them to do so, and they'll listen. And remember that if a technical user really does need to bypass HSTS, they can, even if it means editing a SQLite database by hand.

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