Ask HN: Google Search down? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by prox » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 6:57 AM UTC

cowmoo728 wrote: post #227

FirstLvR wrote: post #160

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yeah am blaffed how good wikipedia is covering current events

One time I was sitting in the New York metropolitan opera and heard Javier Camarena give an encore performance, which is quite rare. Immediately after the encore, it went to intermission. Once I walked out to the lobby, I checked his Wikipedia article on my phone and it had already been updated to note that he had just done an encore performance at the Met. It was insane how fast it was.

So likely an editor was in the room?

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by washbrain » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:04 AM UTC

nomel wrote: post #243

zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #239

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At AWS, if the status changes then someone somewhere gets fired, so a lot of time incidents happen without being recorded on the status board. Maybe it’s the same issue with GCP, or maybe concern for their injured peers made everyone forget to update the status. I really hope the later.

> At AWS, if the status changes then someone somewhere gets fired, so a lot of time incidents happen without being recorded on the status board. This can't be true, can it? What's the reason to lie, when the lie would be so incredibly obvious?

It's not true. The real answer is that execs don't want to pay the costs of slo violations. If the checkmark status green, who could say whether the service was down?

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by neuronic » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:07 AM UTC

Jerry2 wrote: post #230

zbird wrote: post #148

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You can work without being tracked and profiled here: https://duckduckgo.com/

DDG censors too much.

What relevant, important stuff is it censoring? Hate speech and Russian disinformation campaigns?

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by qmarchi » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:35 AM UTC

iou wrote: post #104

Place those bets, was it BGP? My money is always on BGP somehow.

I'll place bets on that.

A) Googler B) it wasn't DNS or BGP

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by BurningPenguin » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:35 AM UTC

narrator wrote: post #222

pca006132 wrote: post #139

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Try Duckduckgo? Indeed, I don't remember when Google search was down last time either.

Go over to the dark side http://Yandex.com . It's the only thing that's decent that doesn't rely on Google or Bing.

Only if you want to read Russian propaganda.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by quickthrower2 » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:37 AM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #244

josephcsible wrote: post #242

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But HSTS absolutely should be used for production websites.

It really shouldn't. HSTS is a harmful specification which both robs user agency and prohibits good service uptime. In 100% of all cases HSTS is in play, it's pretty much a cert that expired yesterday (aka, not actually a security risk). In exchange for this problem, HSTS demands that browsers stop acting as user agents and refuse to operate , no matter what the user says. It allows the server to dictate what the bro…

Yellow address bar when getting near to expiration would also work, right without changes to what expiration means.

Then people using SSL will renew earlier to avoid embarrassment.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by coffeeblack » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:39 AM UTC

theonemind wrote: post #175

matheweis wrote: post #147

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Bing works pretty well most of the time. I switched my personal primary search engine to bing around the beginning of this year after noticing a marked degradation of Google search quality. In fact, anecdotally, Bing is markedly better at narrow search results (quoted phrases, excluding or including specific words, etc). Google on the other hand is significantly better at what I’d call fuzzy searches, where you don’t…

I feel like I need to read the manual for specific Google searches. Sometimes, it seems to drop an important search term and not give a suggestion link to include it. +term doesn’t help sometimes. It seems like +”term” usually does. It seems overfitted to delivering results with mass appeal. Perhaps I’ll try bing the next time I get that tingling feeling google will throw out the search terms intended to narrow down…

They retired the + when Google+ used it to mark accounts or something. To require a term be verbatim in the result pages, just put it in “quotes”. The - however still works, afaik.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by quickthrower2 » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:40 AM UTC

russellbeattie wrote: post #10

jameshe wrote: post #4

Noticed it was down for about 2 minutes, but up again. As with any big outage, I wonder how much money was lost in those 2 minutes...

OK, so in round numbers, Google makes roughly $65 billion in profit per quarter. Dividing by 90, is around $722 million per day, which is roughly $200,000 per second. 2 minutes is quite the expensive fuckup.

Expensive for you, but for Google it is nothing. A bug in their Ad placement stack would cost more.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:42 AM UTC

quickthrower2 wrote: post #256

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #244

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It really shouldn't. HSTS is a harmful specification which both robs user agency and prohibits good service uptime. In 100% of all cases HSTS is in play, it's pretty much a cert that expired yesterday (aka, not actually a security risk). In exchange for this problem, HSTS demands that browsers stop acting as user agents and refuse to operate , no matter what the user says. It allows the server to dictate what the bro…

Yellow address bar when getting near to expiration would also work, right without changes to what expiration means. Then people using SSL will renew earlier to avoid embarrassment.

That's also arguably acceptable, yes, though the renewal timeline is already quite aggressive if you aren't able to use ACME for whatever particular reason.

I have yet to see any example of a real security risk involving a barely expired certificate. It seems that we invented a way to make the web extremely fragile for... really no good reason.

Re: Ask HN: Google Search down?

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Post by coffeeblack » Tue, Aug 09, 2022, 7:44 AM UTC

BurningPenguin wrote: post #255

narrator wrote: post #222

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Go over to the dark side http://Yandex.com . It's the only thing that's decent that doesn't rely on Google or Bing.

Only if you want to read Russian propaganda.

Probably depends what you are searching for. Some sql or Go topic should be fine. Info in NATO probably not. Then again, there are topics that are full of propaganda on Google too, sadly.