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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by pcai »

SpacePortKnight wrote: post #104

In a laptop, I care far more about battery life and the fan noise. However, Intel 12th gen is only able to pull these impressive performance feats due to very high turbo boost clocks. It's not that Intel is bad, it's still pretty great but in the age of M1 I wish Intel released a processor with similar power consumption. I use my Intel i5-1240p with turbo boost disabled when on battery. Here's the geekbench with TB d…

We all wish intel could release a processor with similar power consumption to the m1, but it's not like they just overlooked battery life. x86 is just fundamentally not competitive with arm on that front, unfortunately. The only advantage it seems to have from an architecture standpoint is raw performance

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by webmobdev »

I hope this doesn't mean that frame.work is planning to stick with Intel processors even for its next gen laptops? Many of us are eagerly waiting for the AMD models.

On a slightly different note, this is again a good example of how Intel continues to oneup AMD through its business and management practices, even when AMD has better products. Ofcourse AMD can't be imitate Intel in spending money and undercutting them (sometimes illegally), but they should certainly try to copy some of the decent practices of Intel, like for e.g. supporting hardware manufacturers by offering reference designs. China has many Intel tablets because of this. It is easier to develop hardware with Intel processors because Intel offers more support (free and paid). Something AMD needs to focus on more and fix. They really need to work on their PR and sales tactic.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by antihero »

mgoetzke wrote: post #180
sdoering wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but than you have corporate compliance installing an insane amount of Spyware on your device so that a 2021 XPS 13 Dell with a gen 10 Intel is out of battery when only using word within the hour. Fans spinning all the time and no way of disabling this madness. Nearly the same for my Mac colleagues. They maybe get 2 hours out of their M1 MBPs unplugged.

I am writing this from a M1 MBP with screen at extra full brightness (using vivid) and I can say I get way more than 2 hours from it.

How much corporate garbage on it, though?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by GeekyBear »

senttoschool wrote: post #170
cbg0 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with you that M2 is more efficient, but let's not move goal posts after saying "Performance wise, the M2 is still faster.".

I didn't move the goal post. M2 is faster in ST, GPU, AI, and video editing. It's slower on MT. To me, the M2 is overall faster. Especially when unplugged which will cause Alder Lake to significantly drop in performance. What is your definition of faster?

> Especially when unplugged which will cause Alder Lake to significantly drop in performance.

At least in a laptop, it's not just when you unplug the laptop that performance drops. You've also got to have enough volume in the laptop to shoehorn in a major cooling system if you're going to keep the P series processors from throttling.

For instance, Lenovo's thin and light ThinkPad X1 Yoga has two fans but still throttles:

>Unfortunately, the laptop got uncomfortably hot in its Best performance mode during testing, even with light workloads.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/review-lenovos-think...

Or the Dell XPS 13 Plus:

>the XPS 13 Plus’ fan was really struggling here because, boy oh boy, did this thing get hot.

After a few hours of regular use (which, in my case, is a dozen or so Chrome tabs with Slack running over top), this laptop was boiling. I was getting uncomfortable keeping my hands on the palm rests and typing on the keyboard. Putting it on my lap was off the table.

https://www.theverge.com/23284276/dell-xps-13-plus-intel-202...

Intel's P series chips in a device without a massive heat sink and fans can't hit those high clocks that their performance benchmarks rely on.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by pas »

nrp wrote: post #83
Dunedan wrote: post #74

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Why didn't you just move the 16GB of RAM from the 11th Gen model to the 12th Gen model? Both use DDR4 after all, don't they?

Two different people on the team running the benchmark at two different locations (the challenges of being remote-first). To be clear, had we prioritized it, we could have built two equivalent systems for this benchmark at one site. However, we are mostly focused on building products, so most of our blog posts end up being someone having a interesting topic to discuss and pulling together data and assets we have on h…

could you perhaps rerun it with one process mlockall()-ing 48GB of RAM, so both end up with 16G usable RAM?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by antihero »

mstaoru wrote: post #175

I think for those who primarily work on AC and do not mind increased power draw, 12th Gen is a good choice. As a software developer, I appreciate a few seconds shaved off here and there. With good thermal design, 12th Gen laptops can be silent and cool (I've never heard my MSI GT77 spin up the fans, unless I tell it to with a dedicated hardware button). I understand that people have different use cases and for lot of…

Do you think the very broad loose culture of macOS users (developers/creatives - coffee shops, nomadic etc) vs Windows (most corporate stuff - workstations, meetings etc) could be some factor in how they are optimised?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by nicolaslem »

lhl wrote: post #105
exyi wrote: post #92

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That's quite a bit more expensive than complaining on HN, or just buying a Lenovo

The HP EliteBooks (and the new Dev One Linux variant) also have trackpoints. Just in case anyone's interested in making their own though, I've seen a few DIY trackpoint projects over the years (mostly on custom mechs, not laptop keyboards though). Here's a writeup on one: https://edryd.org/posts/tp-mk/

> The HP EliteBooks also have trackpoints.

Not anymore, they are gone with Gen 9 :(

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by ithkuil »

I'm developing in rust for $dayjob and I absolutely hated it until I got a M1 mac. CPU speed (including single core speed) absolutely made the difference. The compilation speed crossed that threshold between "a little pause" and getting distracted doing something else while waiting for a little incremental compile

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by speedgoose »

antihero wrote: post #183
mgoetzke wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am writing this from a M1 MBP with screen at extra full brightness (using vivid) and I can say I get way more than 2 hours from it.

How much corporate garbage on it, though?

2 hours on a M1 is beyond corporate garbage. It's like they try to use as much power as possible, perhaps more than one process is stuck in an infinite loop.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by dfc »

nrp wrote: post #32
procodr wrote: post #8

For "Linux kernel compilation speed" they have compared a 16 GB model with 64 GB model for achieving 102.60% improvement! It's so funny =)

Yes, we intended to do an apples to apples comparison, but didn’t find the necessary units on hand when writing the post.

I think you can use `brd` or `ramdisk` (NOT tmpfs) to eat up 48GB of ram on the newer machine. Just make sure you actually write data to the disks so that the memory is allocated.

That should be an easy way to do an apples to apples comparison and not require shipping any hardware.

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