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Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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exhilaration wrote: post #34
maybelsyrup wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ghosn IS "the man". People who stick it to the man don't have access to Green Berets and private jets and multiple citizenships. This story can be understood as bickering between two factions or groups of "the man": on the one side the Japanese legal system, hardly a champion of the underdog; and on the other, one of the world's richest and most powerful people, the sort of person who does not (cannot) arrive at his…

The other side, according to Ghosn, wasn't the Japanese legal system -- it was other Nissan executives that weaponized the Japanese legal system against a foreigner. Still, I agree it's very much a case of infighting among the privileged.

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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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iforgotpassword wrote: post #63
SiempreViernes wrote: post #57

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Evading a punishment is pretty universally seen as a crime, not sure why you'd think otherwise.

Because it's a natural instinct to seek freedom. It's in human nature. Like, expecting a prisoner to keep sitting in their cell when suddenly all doors spring open is ridiculous.

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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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StanislavPetrov wrote: post #108
orf wrote: post #44

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That’s ridiculous. A crime is a crime, and stealing money - be it physically or on paper - has real repercussions to real people. It deserves more than a financial penalty.

>A crime is a crime This is most certainly false. A crime is a violation of a law. Laws are passed by groups of people, not handed down by some infinitely wise and just being. For example, in many African nations, it is illegal to be gay. Would someone imprisoned for the "crime" of being gay be justified in escaping? Would Julian Assange be justified in escaping his dungeon for exposing the crimes of the US governmen…

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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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prvit wrote: post #145
trhway wrote: post #135

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What kind of due process you get depends on your money, and that is bad. In particular people rot in jail for months and years on much smaller bails until they just take the plea deal. And about passport checks I repeated the NPR as I have no first hand experience with private jet :)

Problem isn’t that rich people have it better, the problem is that poor people have it much worse.

If rich people had it like poor then the situation would have improved overnight.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by refurb »

Cupertino95014 wrote: post #30

Since: 1) He had essentially zero chance of being acquitted, and 2) He was the victim of Nissan executives who didn't like having a gaijin be their boss: In his shoes, I would feel morally justified in escaping. Financial crimes deserve a financial penalty. If you disagree with that, suppose Britney Griner somehow escaped from Russian "justice"? How would you feel then? Edit. Everyone talking about hypothetical burgl…

Ignoring all that - if I were in his shoes I’d do the same - guilty or innocent.

I mean, even if I wasn’t in his billionaire shoes I’d do the same - if facing a long imprisonment in a foreign country I’d take chance at escaping any day.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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JumpCrisscross wrote: post #144
bamboozled wrote: post #137

Can someone ELI5 what exactly he apparently did wrong? It's confusing, I hear people say he "escaped" and I hear people say he should be prosecuted for escaping. Weird.

> Can someone ELI5 what exactly he apparently did wrong? Basically Enron except he stole the money [1]. (Also, less of it.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn#Initial_arrest

I'm not familiar with Enron, but he just simply stole money into his personal accounts?

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by remembermylo »

Cupertino95014 wrote: post #30

Since: 1) He had essentially zero chance of being acquitted, and 2) He was the victim of Nissan executives who didn't like having a gaijin be their boss: In his shoes, I would feel morally justified in escaping. Financial crimes deserve a financial penalty. If you disagree with that, suppose Britney Griner somehow escaped from Russian "justice"? How would you feel then? Edit. Everyone talking about hypothetical burgl…

1) not sure this is really relevant. If you don't trust the country's laws you are doing business in dont do business there. Part of the reason I dont plan on opening a factory in Liberia is because i wouldnt trust their legal system to protect me. Im happy working in USA even though their legal system shares suspicious statistics with Japan.

The Feds in USA have a 97% guilty rate, so this same logic could be used basically saying because defendants in federal USA trials have virtually no chance of getting off scott free they can escape and we shouldnt call that injustice.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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prvit wrote: post #148
Scoundreller wrote: post #133

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Fire the criminally clueless and replace their setup with the security that’s setup for every other airport terminal. And if you need a background check for a HAM radio license, it makes sense to have a background check for pilot licenses.

> Fire the criminally clueless and replace their setup with the security that’s setup for every other airport terminal. What will that achieve? How many terror attacks have there been on board private planes? > And if you need a background check for a HAM radio license, it makes sense to have a background check for pilot licenses. An useful background check would be something more akin to a security clearance, not li…

1. How many successful terror attacks have happened with any plane currently flying? Zero. How many terror attacks have I committed? Zero.

Why do we still check those? Whatever checking private planes would achieve.

Maybe that's nothing, but annoying safety/security measures need to be all or nothing. No exemptions.

2. You didn't understand re: HAM radio, you have to report your felonies for a HAM radio license and that gets reviewed, in USA anyway: http://www.arrl.org/fcc-qualification-question

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by hannyaharamita »

A popular narrative is that the choice is between Ghosn being guilty or a victim of a Nissan management coup d'etat.

This is a false dichotomy, it is also quite possible that illicit activity by Ghosn provided convenient ammunition to people with incentive to have him removed.

People pushing the binary narrative focus on how the Japanese prosecution seems over the top for what is essentially a financial reporting law violation. However, the reporting issues are only two of the allegations.

The other two seem more serious, breach of trust in getting Nissan to cover collateral for FX losses, and misappropriation of funds in which $15 million was sent to a Nissan dealership, a portion of which was then transferred to a company controlled by Ghosn.

Adding to these the French arrest warrant on charges of money laundering and abuse of company assets, which seem to include misuse of company funds to allegedly pay for a lavish personal party at Versailles, one must wonder if online Ghosn supporters are organic or reputation management staff.

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