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Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Cupertino95014 wrote: post #30

Since: 1) He had essentially zero chance of being acquitted, and 2) He was the victim of Nissan executives who didn't like having a gaijin be their boss: In his shoes, I would feel morally justified in escaping. Financial crimes deserve a financial penalty. If you disagree with that, suppose Britney Griner somehow escaped from Russian "justice"? How would you feel then? Edit. Everyone talking about hypothetical burgl…

> please explain what, exactly, Ghosn was accused of stealing, and from whom?

Should every company executive be free to steal millions of dollars from their companies [1][2]? Be free to "renovate homes for Ghosn in Rio de Janeiro, Beirut, Paris and Amsterdam" on pensioners' dimes? Get a free pass from investigation by multiple countries [3] because they ran a PR campaign while they were pillaging?

Anyone informed defending Ghosn is essentially rejecting the rule of law, full stop. He's wanted for serious crimes in multiple countries with discordant agendas.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nissan-ghosn-allegations-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn#Initial_arrest

[3] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-22/france-is...

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by vorpalhex »

thedailymail wrote: post #114
vorpalhex wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Burglary carries a presumption of force.

You may be confusing burglary with robbery.

> Burglary is a crime under both the common law and the model penal code. Exact definitions of burglary under the common law vary by jurisdiction though they all criminalize some form of illegally entering a building at night with the intent to commit a crime within.

From https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/burglary

Typically this means you've broken into a domicile (sometimes lesser charges of Burglary exist for non-domicile, eg a vacant commercial building). If you break into someone's home, at night, while it's occupied, the law presumes you intended to do violence.

This presumption is usually correct!

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bamboozled wrote: post #137

Can someone ELI5 what exactly he apparently did wrong? It's confusing, I hear people say he "escaped" and I hear people say he should be prosecuted for escaping. Weird.

> Can someone ELI5 what exactly he apparently did wrong?

Basically Enron except he stole the money [1]. (Also, less of it.)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn#Initial_arrest

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by prvit »

trhway wrote: post #135
prvit wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Laws, including custom checks, passport checks, etc. are for regular people. There was even a recent program on NPR how different is the life of super-wealthy. Customs checks hardly affect regular people. Security checks are an optional service you can pay for, but probably won’t bother if it’s your own plane and isn’t full of hundreds of random people. Rich people still have passport checks, they just pay the gove…

What kind of due process you get depends on your money, and that is bad. In particular people rot in jail for months and years on much smaller bails until they just take the plea deal. And about passport checks I repeated the NPR as I have no first hand experience with private jet :)

Problem isn’t that rich people have it better, the problem is that poor people have it much worse.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by [deleted] »

protastus wrote: post #73
Nextgrid wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how much this is a 9/11 risk? As far as I know the protection against "taking a jet and crashing it into a building" is a squadron of fighter jets that are quickly dispatched to (if necessary) shoot down any plane on a risky path. That's exactly what happened when some mentally unstable airport employee "stole" a plane and committed suicide by crashing it into the water after a few stunts. The other risk…

> As far as I know the protection against "taking a jet and crashing it into a building" is a squadron of fighter jets that are quickly dispatched to (if necessary) shoot down any plane on a risky path. It's 16 miles from JFK airport to Manhattan. A jet plane can fly this distance in less than 5 minutes at sea level, within a normal flight envelope. There's latency recognizing from the ground that an airliner needs t…

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Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by Grazester »

chrischen wrote: post #67
EdwardDiego wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah my brother had a child with his Japanese wife last year, and she became very unwell mentally post-partum, but won't seek treatment. He's desperately unhappy, but he has to stay in the marriage, as he has no chance in hell of seeing his son if he leaves, foreign spouses never win a custody dispute in Japanese courts, and Japan does not do shared custody.

I think something similar happened go some youtuber (google Tech lead guy on youtube) where his wife who is Japanese took their (I think American) child to Japan and now he cannot even see his child.

I remember the dude and remembered him mentioning trouble with his wife and kid.

How can a parent take a kid out of the country without the consent of the other parent without it being categorized as kidnapping. Being that the kid is an American citizen can't the U.S. system get Japan to send this kid back(if the mother is only Japanese and not the kid). Didn't America extradite the Americans involved in Ghosen's escape? So they should have agreements this such legal matters to no?

P.s. I really didn't agree with American extraditing it's citizen in Goshen's case.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by prvit »

Scoundreller wrote: post #133
prvit wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are “The staff at the charter jet terminal” supposed to address this? Those are the people GP called “criminally clueless”, suggesting that the lack of pre-departure controls for private jets will cause the next 9/11.

Fire the criminally clueless and replace their setup with the security that’s setup for every other airport terminal. And if you need a background check for a HAM radio license, it makes sense to have a background check for pilot licenses.

> Fire the criminally clueless and replace their setup with the security that’s setup for every other airport terminal.

What will that achieve? How many terror attacks have there been on board private planes?

> And if you need a background check for a HAM radio license, it makes sense to have a background check for pilot licenses.

An useful background check would be something more akin to a security clearance, not like a HAM radio license.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by npinsker »

pfisherman wrote: post #99
CamperBob2 wrote: post #18

Wow, not hard to see how the next 9/11 will happen. The staff at the charter jet terminal were almost criminally clueless. "So, how exactly does the security work around here, anyway? Is this huge crate going to be X-rayed? Because it needs to not be X-rayed. Also, here's a $10,000 tip, just to make sure you, um, don't remember us."

It’s possible that the operatives knew something about Japanese customs and etiquette and the $10,000 tip was intended to distract the employees at the airport. If they are worried about navigating a delicate social situation - rejecting the money without offense / loss of face - then they aren’t thinking about the boxes or the flimsy cover story. The article said that this scenario - rejecting tips from uninformed f…

I think this was very likely the case. It has the feel of a magic trick —- intentionally drawing your attention to one particular point so you don’t see what they don’t want you to.

Re: Carlos Ghosn’s Brazen Escape from Japan

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Post by prvit »

josefx wrote: post #126
prvit wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People get paid for that, it’s a job.

So it is okay when we exchange captivity for money? So if we converted the money he stole into an hourly rate we could stick him into prison until the sun burns out and call it a job?

If someone else assigns you a job, it’s called slavery.
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