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Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by drc500free »

carlmr wrote: post #24
bad416f1f5a2 wrote: post #4

> A photo tweeted by a famous French physicist supposedly of Proxima Centauri by the James Webb Space Telescope was actually a slice of chorizo. > … > Klein told French news outlet Le Point that his intention had been to educate people about fake news online While I respect the position that people should always check sources, “person famous in their field posts a lie about something well within their field, then tut…

>believe the expert According to his tweet it wasn't so much fake news, but appeal to authority he wanted to make people aware of. https://nitter.rako.space/EtienneKlein/status/15537792036524...

How does he think dissemination of scientific knowledge actually works? 99.99% of people don't have the education to truly verify breakthrough scientific work.

It's a lot of pageantry and ethical training to make the appeal to authority more valid, but it will always at its core be appeal to authority.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by eevilspock »

Perceval wrote: post #9

This article presupposes that Proxima Centauri is not, in fact, made of chorizo. Whereas we have long known that the moon is made of cheese. I think Klein is floating a test balloon to gauge the public's willingness to consume the 'celestial charcuterie' theory of the heavens.

A branch of that theory posits that black holes are higher dimensional beings that happen to like the taste of this universe.

Also that entropy proves expiration dates are misleading; shelf life is not a cliff but a monotonically decreasing value.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by thfuran »

franciscop wrote: post #3

Cmon we've been joking with exactly this picture for years now on the internet. The other really popular joke one is the pancake that, specially in B&W, looks like a moon! https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/pancake-that-resemb...

I'm not sure exactly who "we" is, but I've spent more than a reasonable amount of time on the internet for years and don't recall having seen either picture.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by MichaelCollins »

nsxwolf wrote: post #17
dangerface wrote: post #14

I worked with a guy that said the moon landing was fake. The only evidence he could provide was the number of images of space that claim to be real but end up being doctored or fake, every time I called him out on his bs I was wrong and the image was fake. Thanks Scientists!

If it makes you feel any better, it's essentially impossible to convince a moon landing hoax believer they are wrong.

This hasn't been my experience. A lot of people say they think the moon landing was fake because they have a general distrust of anything the government says, and are particularly skeptical of anything from the cold war era. But they may still be willing to listen to reason if you approach the subject with a compassionate mindset, not shaming them for questioning authority but instead acknowledging the basic legitimacy of their anti-authoritarian skepticism. After all, the government has done shady shit before, it just happens that the Moon landing isn't one of them.

The depth of publicly available information about the Moon landings helps a lot too. Most people have only seen a few minutes of video footage at most, and may conclude that Hollywood could fake that video. But the amount of documentation about even the most minute detail of the Apollo program is staggering. If it were all fake,it would be the greatest most detailed work of science fiction ever created. Seriously, it would put Star Trek/Wars to shame. No fiction has lore with such fractal depth of detail as NASA, not even close. Not even Silmarillion comes close.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by coldcode »

Someone wrote: post #60
s1artibartfast wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if there were a ball of meat the size of a star, it would collapse into an actual star, although smaller and more dense. I would really be interested to know what Steller atomic composition most closely matches that of a sausage.

Maybe not that much smaller? The density of meat is close to 1gm/cm³, that of the sun about 1.41gm/cm³, but the sun is relatively small for a star and larger stars are less dense. I’m neither an astrophysicist nor a food expert, but sausages have lots of carbon and contain a reasonable amount of water and thus, oxygen, so I don’t see young stars match them chemically. Maybe, some really old ones will, fairly short be…

With the pressure coming from the inside of the star from burning fuel, I think this meat-star would implode since it is just meat. Unless of course sausages under pressure emit energy. How much sausage would it take to start a thermonuclear process?

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by benj111 »

hedora wrote: post #46
jstanley wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This article presupposes that Proxima Centauri is not, in fact, made of chorizo. I don't think it does. It can both be true that Proxima Centauri is made of Chorizo and that the French Scientist tweeted a picture of some Chorizo that was not Proxima Centauri.

Ahh, but you are forgetting the Spanish Highlander conjecture.

Is that related to the Connery constant?

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by benj111 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #49
heywoodlh wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be a lot of fun if someone competent with physics explained how celestial bodies would behave if they were made of meat. That'd be a fun Youtube video imo.

I think that if there were a ball of meat the size of a star, it would collapse into an actual star, although smaller and more dense. I would really be interested to know what Steller atomic composition most closely matches that of a sausage.

Sausage != Meat.

(Might be for chorizo but I'm from the UK)

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by snapcaster »

croes wrote: post #53
franciscop wrote: post #3

Cmon we've been joking with exactly this picture for years now on the internet. The other really popular joke one is the pancake that, specially in B&W, looks like a moon! https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/pancake-that-resemb...

These aren't the times for such jokes. Many people take this as proof of lying experts that ridicule the non experts. You can make these jokes in your peer group but outsiders of these group may feel degraded.

Stop clutching your pearls. Experts lying and ridiculing non-experts is massively widespread. We (tech community) do it all the time to VCs, investors, media, business teams, PMs, etc.

Re: French scientist's photo of ‘distant star’ was chorizo

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Post by karaterobot »

jstanley wrote: post #16
Perceval wrote: post #9

This article presupposes that Proxima Centauri is not, in fact, made of chorizo. Whereas we have long known that the moon is made of cheese. I think Klein is floating a test balloon to gauge the public's willingness to consume the 'celestial charcuterie' theory of the heavens.

> This article presupposes that Proxima Centauri is not, in fact, made of chorizo. I don't think it does. It can both be true that Proxima Centauri is made of Chorizo and that the French Scientist tweeted a picture of some Chorizo that was not Proxima Centauri.

> “According to contemporary cosmology, no object belonging to Spanish charcuterie exists anywhere but on Earth,” he said after apologising for tricking so many people.
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