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Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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My guess is doing exactly that is most the source of Google's problems right no, meanwhile the spammers do the exact same thing except trying to teach a ML model to successfully pose as authentic content, and what you get is the gloriosu mess we are in. (Even though it's just the last battle in a long war against spam)

Too much / too little, both are problematic I guess. This ends up becoming a war of algorithmic generation vs understanding, and devolves to effectively answering the age old question "is this spam"? I was going to suggest that perhaps adding info about whether the site had ads, etc. might help the usability. Then I tried marginalia ... :) Perhaps we need to invest in similar detection for other antipatterns (listicl…

Yeah maybe.

I don't know how useful these "hobo signs" actually are, but they did feel like a natural response to a lot of web sites justifying their use of trackers and cookies and affiliate links and whatnot with "everyone is doing this!"

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GPT-3 prompt: I really love the vibe of Koh Lanta in Thailand. It has tourist amenities without really being touristy. I find it charming, slow and cheap. Is there a place in Croatia like it? Completion: There is no exact place in Croatia that has the same vibe as Koh Lanta in Thailand. However, there are places in Croatia that have a similar charm and slower pace. These places include Hvar Island, Korcula Island, an…

Can anyone familiar with Croatia say whether GPT-3 is reasonable here? It's great at saying plausible things, but it will freely make things up if it doesn't know.

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I'd be super interested to see if these other places actually fit the descriptions it gives, or if it essentially just generated a likely pattern of text to be seen after the first part saying there's no exact match and then filled in random known Croatian location. I honestly don't have any intuition of which of those is more likely!

Hvar is filled with 25 year old tourists who drink a lot and maybe hope to get into modeling as a side hustle. It does not fit the prompt at all. Korchula is a slow, family oriented island. Maybe a better fit? But it really just seems like GPT has picked up on a list of the most popular destinations in Croatia.

Istria is also very touristy.

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I'm glad I wasn't the only one to cringe at the lack of self-awareness on the part of the author at the inherent paradox of wanting something highly ranked by google but also quiet, cheap, and slow. Here's a tip for the blog author. Learn a foreign language. Then search google in that foreign language. You might be surprised. Be the change you want to see.

I learned a foreign language (English), I search Google in that foreign language. My browser's language is set in that foreign language. My search parameters are set to only show results in English. I use Google.com, not my localized version of Google. And yet about half the time when I search using keywords (as opposed to long expressions), there are always two or three links in my language (French) in the first pag…

A VPN is what you need. Or perhaps simply changing your location would work, when I visited France I didn’t get any French-language results.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

GPT-3 prompt: I really love the vibe of Koh Lanta in Thailand. It has tourist amenities without really being touristy. I find it charming, slow and cheap. Is there a place in Croatia like it? Completion: There is no exact place in Croatia that has the same vibe as Koh Lanta in Thailand. However, there are places in Croatia that have a similar charm and slower pace. These places include Hvar Island, Korcula Island, an…

>It has tourist amenities without really being touristy

All the results it gave are flooded with tourists, and some of them are among the most expensive you can get in Croatia. :shrug:

Unsure of what to think of the results, as it seems to have very little relevance to the input description other than being in Croatia and being tourist spots.

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I have no idea what Koh Lanta is like, but the world has 1.11 million km of ice-free coastline. I'm also not sure what tourist amenities are, but you can probably build them anywhere you want.

Build with what money? The whole point of even having tourist amenities is that there's a community that that's attempting to draw tourist money to their location, and probably create a thriving economy. An unknown tourist attraction with amenities is a failed location where the amenities are unmaintained/dilapidated, the local economy has nosedived, the young have moved out and the population is collapsing.

I'm not disagreeing with the overall point, but when you say:

> there's a community that that's attempting to draw tourist money to their location, and probably create a thriving economy

Usually that's not how it works (at least from first-hand experience). It's about a local business/mafia trying to draw tourist money while exploiting cheap labor from the local community. Let's not even get started on the scheming to privatize public beaches, environmental pollution (noise, lights, trash) and other shenanigans the tourist industry is creating to the detriment of local communities.

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I have resorted to using Russian (Yandex) and Chinese (Baidu) search engines in the last few years. It is interesting that non commercial sources have more of a voice on these search engines than on Google today. Google is good at many things, but their leadership is questionable now, unlike in the past. I would pay a subscription fee for a service that provided partity with Google and customer service that answers t…

Have you tried this one? https://neeva.com/ No idea how good it is, I remember it was posted here a while ago

Have not. I will try it now though.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPT-3 prompt: I really love the vibe of Koh Lanta in Thailand. It has tourist amenities without really being touristy. I find it charming, slow and cheap. Is there a place in Croatia like it? Completion: There is no exact place in Croatia that has the same vibe as Koh Lanta in Thailand. However, there are places in Croatia that have a similar charm and slower pace. These places include Hvar Island, Korcula Island, an…

Can anyone familiar with Croatia say whether GPT-3 is reasonable here? It's great at saying plausible things, but it will freely make things up if it doesn't know.

I think it really depends on what you're after and the micro location where you spend your day and night. Hvar and it's city is definitely not laid back and slow. It is just very expensive, busy and loud. Korcula is fine, but I would suggest something like Vis island or for someone appreciating very small islands: Susak or Ilovik. Being on all of those places many times in my life, I think it mostly depends who you're with and where your apartment is. Every island can be very diverse in itself as well. Let me explain: if you're placed in a town usually it will be very loud on weekends and nights due to open air concerts/performances, and sometimes even during the weekdays. So if you desire something where you'll get a nice sleep this can actually be hard to come by because every cafee is open during the whole night each day entertaining a few drunks, blasting music, and not letting hundreds of people sleep with open windows (nights are hot as well). Actually it was much more bearable with covid restrictions in place because the cafees weren't allowed to play music after IIRC 10PM. A lot of islands also have no police or very minimal presence, so there is a lot of elements of lawlessness and locals making their own "rules".

I could write pages of this stuff, but let me write more positive things. The best way to enjoy the islands in Croatia is actually by boat, rented or otherwise (they are not expensive). There are beautiful quiet coves where you can spend your days and nights, only going for resupply in towns. You anchor in a quiet cove, and in the evening you take your tender boat to the town if you want to walk around it. Next day you sail to another island and repeat. That experience is actually awesome.

If a boat is out of the question, being in some apartment is an option, I would just advise not to be in the town center or near it, or anywhere where some very local beach is. Mostly there will be a caffee with blaring music and nobody likes to sleep with earplugs. Also this is and advice for any island, and true, a lot of those islands are quite different than each other.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

Yet Google encourages this type of search, where Google operates as some sort of oracle. What seems like an endless army of Google proponents (perhaps they are simply "status quo" proponents) discourage anyone from even attempting to think about how the web could be organised without the need for a Google. In a library, I can do searches restricted to certain subject areas. I might only be searching certain databases…

Trademarks are incredibly easy and cheap to get. Spammers already pay for domains and servers. Adding the cost of a trademark doesn't make things much more difficult I'm afraid.

Also which country's trademark office would be the gate keeper? There's one in every country. I assume you mean the USA trademark database in this case, but that only covers US trademarks.

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