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Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by rixed »

spullara wrote: post #123
drivebycomment wrote: post #4

This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

GPT-3 prompt: I really love the vibe of Koh Lanta in Thailand. It has tourist amenities without really being touristy. I find it charming, slow and cheap. Is there a place in Croatia like it? Completion: There is no exact place in Croatia that has the same vibe as Koh Lanta in Thailand. However, there are places in Croatia that have a similar charm and slower pace. These places include Hvar Island, Korcula Island, an…

> While these places do have some tourist amenities, they are not as touristy as Koh Lanta

This shows, if you had any doubt about it, that it did not actually understand the question.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by spc476 »

iakh wrote: post #194
marginalia_nu wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, those sited go out the window entirely. It's a search engine for documents, not applications.

Why should it matter if a website is marked up on the server side or client side to a search engine?

Why should I download 50M of Javascript implementing a buggy, bespoke browsing engine to render perhaps 1k of text when I'm using a browser that is already capable of rendering 1k of text? For example, I used to enjoy browsing the C2 wiki, but recently they decided they needed to experiment with their own Javascript based browser, thus rendering their site unreadable unless you are using the very latest web browser (that needs to be updated every 20 minutes mind you).

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by wyuenho »

> thus changing the problem of trustworthiness to one of authority

I wish Google would just penalize Quora. I can't ask any question on Google without seeing a bunch of Quora fake experts on the first page providing vacant answers to any question.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by SenHeng »

strken wrote: post #206
pixl97 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap. Ugh, this reminds me of the people that move from high tax places to low tax places but want all the benefits of high tax places at low cost. Now, back to the main point, if this was searchable it wouldn't exist. The number one complaint people have today is popular places are too busy, too many tourists come and prices go up and it's over ran.…

I have no idea what Koh Lanta is like, but the world has 1.11 million km of ice-free coastline. I'm also not sure what tourist amenities are, but you can probably build them anywhere you want.

Build with what money?

The whole point of even having tourist amenities is that there's a community that that's attempting to draw tourist money to their location, and probably create a thriving economy.

An unknown tourist attraction with amenities is a failed location where the amenities are unmaintained/dilapidated, the local economy has nosedived, the young have moved out and the population is collapsing.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by amelius »

spullara wrote: post #123
drivebycomment wrote: post #4

This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

GPT-3 prompt: I really love the vibe of Koh Lanta in Thailand. It has tourist amenities without really being touristy. I find it charming, slow and cheap. Is there a place in Croatia like it? Completion: There is no exact place in Croatia that has the same vibe as Koh Lanta in Thailand. However, there are places in Croatia that have a similar charm and slower pace. These places include Hvar Island, Korcula Island, an…

If search engines ever become like this there will be debates about copyright just like we have for copilot.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by hooby »

For decades now, SEOptimizers have constantly found new tricks to get their websites ranked higher than they should, while search engines have constantly updated their algorithms to make them harder to game like that.

These two things have co-evolved in response to each other, and what this article laments is the result of exactly that process.

But the interaction between SEO and Google search is way more complex than the article implies. In particular, the influence goes both ways, and it's not a clear one-way cause and effect relationship. Also playing into this are a lot of other factors, like the increasing commercialization of the web, how the online advertising business works, Googles dominant position in both web search and web advertising, etc...

I really don't think the solution to this can be as simple as "change how Google rewards keywords". It's not that simple.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by intelVISA »

wyuenho wrote: post #223

> thus changing the problem of trustworthiness to one of authority I wish Google would just penalize Quora. I can't ask any question on Google without seeing a bunch of Quora fake experts on the first page providing vacant answers to any question.

Even worse when it's CS related and you get fed sheer nonsense from a "Dev Guru 25YOE" like damn idk what the target demographic is for the SWE side of Quora but I sure hope to never be part of it.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by leobg »

norwalkbear wrote: post #3

I've personally thought it's a side effect of bringing the masses to the internet.

Probably true. The only Internet had a great filter. You needed to have money, technical know-how, and a great deal of openness and vision to do anything on the Internet, especially publishing anything there. Nowadays, there is no more filter, neither for access to the Internet, nor for publishing on it.

Also, getting people to pay you money is now a proven concept on the Internet. Whereas, in the early days, not only where there few options for taking payments or for monetizing content with ads, but it also wouldn’t have been worth the effort because that just wasn’t a big enough target audience.

Re: Why Is the Web So Monotonous? Google

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Post by ToJans »

spullara wrote: post #123
drivebycomment wrote: post #4

This is a clear demonstration of the user's expectation of search having exceeded what's possible today. From the article: > Lets look at some examples. One of my favorite places in the world is Koh Lanta, Thailand. When traveling, I’m always on the lookout for places that give off the Koh Lanta vibe. What does that mean? Hard to say, exactly, but having tourist amenities without being touristy. Charming, slow, cheap…

GPT-3 prompt: I really love the vibe of Koh Lanta in Thailand. It has tourist amenities without really being touristy. I find it charming, slow and cheap. Is there a place in Croatia like it? Completion: There is no exact place in Croatia that has the same vibe as Koh Lanta in Thailand. However, there are places in Croatia that have a similar charm and slower pace. These places include Hvar Island, Korcula Island, an…

I have been in HVar. It's not cheap, it's the opposite... It's where the super rich people hang out.

Anecdote: When I told a random person I got there by plane he automatically assumed I owned a plane."

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