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Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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Chess has always had this dichotomy over free/paid services. (a bit not unlike programming tools). I love lichess.org but make no mistake: without the dedication of one talented Scala programmer willing to underpay themselves that site would not exist. Commercial sites can provide more services and offer more opportunities to chess professionals simply due to the funding model. Disclaimer: I've played over 100k onlin…

Open source in general wouldn't exist without lots of people who contribute and underpay themselves for it, but I'm not sure what I'm not supposed to be making a mistake about? Can you clarify?

Not the same.

With opensource tools businesses often do contribute back, via their paid employees.

This is because the business wants to use the tool, but wants some new features / bugfix, and the opensource license means they legally have to contribute back to the opensource project if they want to add that feature and keep using the project.

With lichess the players are almost entirely just consumers of a free product.

> Open source in general wouldn't exist without lots of people who contribute and underpay themselves for it

If you want proof this statement is wrong just look at the open source companies that were created by for-profit companies, such as React by Facebook, Visual Studio Code by Microsoft, or Golang by Google. These are some of the biggest opens source projects, developed by very highly paid software engineers.

All that said, of course there is many OSS projects out there maintained by some unpaid person doing it out of the kindness of their heart.

It goes both ways of course, when a business open sources their project they benefit from the contributions of others.

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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I don't think commercial vs communist has anything to do with it. Thibault is just a very good, hard working programmer. If his political views were different then Lichess would still have the best platform and he would have way more money. There is no reason what so over for chess com playing area being as bad as it is other than them not being able to find a programmer as good as Thibault. It's not only about money…

I would agree with you in a lot of cases, especially public administration but... In Thibault's case, he has consciously and deliberately made it so that his political views do affect choices at all levels. A lot of it is quite direct. If you are "communist^," then you think differently about login, data retention. You make feature decisions differently. You also make hiring/expansion/strategy decisions differently.…

But it's not about all the choices, logins, subscriptions or anything like that. It's about the game play alone. It's smooth and fast while you play. The servers don't lag, don't crash, the UI is very responsive, you don't feel like overall slowness and lag of all of it robs you of time or experience.

You can debate all other surrounding stuff being influenced by the author's politics but this one is purely about him being able to implement it and the commercials competitors failing spectacularly.

It's not unique to Lichess btw, back in the day ICC had smooth, responsive gameplay as well. It was commercial and it was great.

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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LIV has moral opposition. It'd be more like if Lichess were funded by Nazi gold or something, and the person funding it was trying to do so because they want you to forget they stole a ton of Nazi gold. PGA isn't behaving this way for moral reasons, but it's an extra component to that situation which makes this harder to analogize.

Orange man bad

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Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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Chess.com isn't _allowing_ anyone to do anything, right? There are sponsors and streamers, and chess.com there in the middle but there's no specific reason it has to be them, or that streamers for example couldn't be sponsored directly. I think for chess.com they want to insert themselves as a kind of broker because it's good for business to put themselves in the middle like that.

Would clubs etc. be interested in sponsoring players, if players would just play elsewhere? I assume in that case clubs will not get any brand recognition boost from being advertised?

What I was trying to say was that being sponsored by a place you play isn't the only option. Here's the list of FIDE sponsors, as one example: https://worldcup.fide.com/info/partners-and-sponsors

Instead of individual streamers being sponsored by venues, which then forbid them to play in other venues, they could be sponsored directly by the advertisers who sponsor the venues, and agencies could represent/group them. Just like how it works with e-sports. Riot Games for example doesn't pay all the pro players to exist, there's a whole ecosystem.

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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I like playing on chess.com because chess.com is a business and charges for the valuable services it provides I don't like playing on lichess as much because lichess provides a product for free that they should charge money for

They have 400k a year in donation.

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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Michael Jordan famously had in his contract with the Bulls a "for the love of the game" clause which entitled him to play in any game that he wanted to.

I don't understand that clause as you mention it. What does "any game" mean in that context?

A lot of athletic contracts would forbid athletes from playing other sports or doing certain other strenuous activities - they were designed partially to try to avoid players injuring themselves doing something other than their contracted sport, and partially to prevent players earning money off their image outside of their team.

Jordan had a clause specifically exempting him from any restrictions around playing basketball - by his contract, he could play basketball in any league, or even any scrimmage, exhibition, or pickup game.

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