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Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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There is plenty of room for all of Chess.com, Chess24 and Lichess to exist. Lichess has the best platform to play on and is free to use. Chess.com is a business. As such they want to earn money. However, without a large, online chess community there will be no subscribers. The amount of effort chess.com has made to sponsor events, streamers etc. is tremendous. Making a living as a chess professional is tough. Streami…

Michael Jordan famously had in his contract with the Bulls a "for the love of the game" clause which entitled him to play in any game that he wanted to.

This has, rightfully, become more standard since Jordan.

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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Paying off Chess streamers is pretty much the only way Chess.com can keep people using their site. Their product is simply inferior in every way, except for their library of master lessons, and all these GMs exclusively streaming through Chess.com. I figure all this spending on sponsorship and GM content is why the rest of their site is so inferior to Lichess. Lichess can spend all their time perfecting the platform,…

> Their product is simply inferior in every way I disagree and I play almost exclusively on Lichess. In chess.com you can: 1. set up multiple pre-moves and 2. play several variants that aren't in lichess, including 4-player chess (this is mostly the reason I sometimes use chess.com).

3. Daily (correspondence) tournaments and a larger correspondence community. That's mostly what I play, since it allows me to play whenever and for as long as I want. 10-20 simultaneous games means there's always something for me to play. I can blitz out moves for all games in 15 minutes, or spend an hour thinking about one game.

I prefer lichess, but just can't have that experience so I pay for chess.com.

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lichess is a platform though, not an accessory. I think a better comparison would be, would Nike be happy if Ronaldo played in a tournament on a field owned by Adidas, in a world in which Adidas is a nonprofit company giving shoes to anyone who wants them. The answer may very well still be "no, they would not be happy," but I bet the public reaction to being forbidden from a public tournament would be different than…

> Lichess is a platform though, not an accessory. I think a better comparison would be, would Nike be happy if Ronaldo played in a tournament on a field owned by Adidas, in a world in which Adidas is a nonprofit company giving shoes to anyone who wants them. I see your point. Chess played on the internet is an e-sport. So let's compare it to Fall Guys and Stumble Guys. If a streamer is paid to advertise Stumble Guys,…

Those are competing games, though. In this case the game is the exact same game.

It'd be more like if you could chose to play CoolGameThatPeopleLove on for-pay servers owned by a company known for sponsoring a bunch of really good players who play exciting games and who you would _love_ to have a chance to play against, or play on community-run server with people who are great, sure, but they're just randos on the internet just like you. You can either pay and feel like you're part of the big league, even if you'll never play the big players yourself, or you can pay nothing and just play the community because you don't care about big name players.

But then a big name player who you could never hope to even accidentally play decides "fuck it, why not?" and starts streaming themselves playing on the same free server you play on! That's amazing!

But not for the sponsor: the whole reason they sponsored this person is because they were very intentionally (through their sponsor contract) made unavailable as an opponent to the world at large, effectively using them as an incentive to join the paid platform. It directly damages the paid service if that player even connects to the community service under their public, adored, identity.

(Crucially in this setting, no one "owns the game", instead they "own" part segments of the player base)

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

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post #59
post #46

Chess has always had this dichotomy over free/paid services. (a bit not unlike programming tools). I love lichess.org but make no mistake: without the dedication of one talented Scala programmer willing to underpay themselves that site would not exist. Commercial sites can provide more services and offer more opportunities to chess professionals simply due to the funding model. Disclaimer: I've played over 100k onlin…

Don’t you regret wasting so much time? Or do you just suppress these thoughts :-)

Entertainment is not a waste. Arguably playing a game like chess probably has mental benefits over other forms, so it could be argued that people choosing this form of entertainment over another is an optimization in and off itself.

Some people have days of time driving 4x4s, or sitting on the beach, or reading a book. Do you consider all of that time "wasted" also? (hint, it isn't, for that person)

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

#126
I like playing on chess.com because chess.com is a business and charges for the valuable services it provides

I don't like playing on lichess as much because lichess provides a product for free that they should charge money for

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

#128

There is plenty of room for all of Chess.com, Chess24 and Lichess to exist. Lichess has the best platform to play on and is free to use. Chess.com is a business. As such they want to earn money. However, without a large, online chess community there will be no subscribers. The amount of effort chess.com has made to sponsor events, streamers etc. is tremendous. Making a living as a chess professional is tough. Streami…

> Wen did you last see Magnus play on Chess.com?

About 10 weeks ago.

https://zwischenzug.substack.com/p/magnus-dominates-titled-t...

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

#129
post #33

Paying off Chess streamers is pretty much the only way Chess.com can keep people using their site. Their product is simply inferior in every way, except for their library of master lessons, and all these GMs exclusively streaming through Chess.com. I figure all this spending on sponsorship and GM content is why the rest of their site is so inferior to Lichess. Lichess can spend all their time perfecting the platform,…

> Their product is simply inferior in every way Completely untrue, I've played on both and the UX + post game Analysis, video content library, etc is far better on chess.com. I do hope lichess.org is able to improve and find better monetization options that's able to pay for more dev + UX resources, championship prizes + GM commentators which makes watching chess far more entertaining.

Agreed. I would say Lichess is superior in actual gameplay (apart from multi-premove, but that's not available in mobile on chess.com as well), but chess.com is better in the extra features. Their analysis is much more user friendly, especially for beginners.

I play on both, but I often find myself going to chess.com to analyze a lichess game, and I don't think I've ever done the opposite.

Re: Hikaru Nakamura's Forbidden Platform

#130

Paying off Chess streamers is pretty much the only way Chess.com can keep people using their site. Their product is simply inferior in every way, except for their library of master lessons, and all these GMs exclusively streaming through Chess.com. I figure all this spending on sponsorship and GM content is why the rest of their site is so inferior to Lichess. Lichess can spend all their time perfecting the platform,…

> Their product is simply inferior in every way I disagree and I play almost exclusively on Lichess. In chess.com you can: 1. set up multiple pre-moves and 2. play several variants that aren't in lichess, including 4-player chess (this is mostly the reason I sometimes use chess.com).

You can setup multiple pre-moves, but each one takes a minimum of 0.1 seconds. Lichess doesn't have this minimum time requirement, so it doesn't let you setup multiple pre-moves.

I much prefer Lichess' system for Bullet.

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