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I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by pjgalbraith »

joshstrange wrote: post #227
burlesona wrote: post #47

I’m fascinated by how much this is exactly like working with a human artist who doesn’t really understand the domain that you are wanting to represent with an image. Iterate, iterate, iterate. It seems like the most valuable thing this could do is get some of that early exploration out of the way faster and easier than a human can do it, get to two or three concepts that feel like they’re in the neighborhood, and the…

Yeah, my first thought was "Ok, but you are going to need to involve a graphical artist to actually really make use of that logo". Like you probably want a vector version and you definitely need simplified versions for smaller sizes but then I stopped and realized how amazing this actually is. It "saved" (I know, it cost $30 but that's a steal for something like this) all the time and money you would have paid for it…

Plus there is no reason why someone couldn't build a specialised AI model to do vectorisation and another to generate simplified versions of vectors.

People are already doing by combining DALL-E 2 with gfpgan for face restoration. So there may be a role in understanding how to combine these tools effectively.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by chii »

marcosdumay wrote: post #342
jfengel wrote: post #125

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In the past, eliminating humans from one set of jobs has been balanced by a new set of opportunities for humans in different jobs. Usually, the new jobs are more valuable. That's not utopianism. The new jobs can't always be filled by the people kicked out of jobs. It really sucks to be them. But it does mean that it's not irrational for people to want to automate other people's jobs. The net amount of stuff generated…

Jobs are plentiful as long as wealth is well distributed. In the past, fast automation has led to badly distributed wealth, and job loss. This situation has lasted until the unemployable people died off (yep, that was part of it), and enough wealth was redistributed through violent means. Today we know better, and have really no reason to repeat the violent means of our previous revolutions. But it's really looking l…

> enough wealth was redistributed through violent means.

there were no instances of violent redistribution of wealth that ended better for the average person than before. Only that a different group of people ended up with wealth.

Automation makes stuff cheaper, even for people who didn't obtain any of the financial wealth via redistribution - because there's more than just financial wealth that get created with automation. New availability of services and goods (think internet of today - this is a wealth that couldn't have existed before, and one can benefit from it even if they are poor today).

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by hipjiveguy »

This simply feels like how everyone iterates on a "google search" for something.

You search the way you think you should at first, and don't get what you want.

But that search informs you of the "terms of the domain" in which you're searching.

So you then refine your search to include those terms, and iterate until you find what you were looking for in the first place, but weren't an expert in (SME)

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by mistymountains »

hmryehbut wrote: post #229
deebosong wrote: post #144

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Not trying to be a luddite and/or vehemently defend the noble profession of nuanced graphic design, BUT... Those iterations suck. I'm not worried for my colleagues and I. That being said! Many, MANY clients have questionable taste, and I can, indeed, see many who aren't sensitive to visuals to be more than happy with these Dall-E turd octopus logo iterations. Most people don't know and don't care what makes good grap…

I bet it will happen sooner than 10-15 The thing you’re missing is AI generated content can be refined by AI. If Disney promised their meh looking movie would improve on its own over time, people would be line to it because it’s new, not just streamlined copy-pasted design we see all over media now Painting the Titanic wasn’t the hard part. The hard part was organizing the process that produced its structure. That’s…

I disagree with the analogy you draw (no pun intended). Good creative design is the edge case for a model like this and is naturally much less tractable than getting to this level of design (I’m not a fan).

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by cloogshicer »

spyder wrote: post #356
cloogshicer wrote: post #138

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Doesn't the sample size for this have to be very large for it to make a difference? Genuine question.

With semi-supervised learning a small amount of labeled data, can produce considerable improvement in accuracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-supervised_learning https://towardsdatascience.com/semi-supervised-learning-how-...

Thank you!

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by pragmatick »

capableweb wrote: post #316
doix wrote: post #315

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> Most people don't know and don't care what makes good graphic design. But isn't the logo created for most people? Does it matter that, you as a designer, think it's bad if most people don't? I see it like modern fashion shows. I look at them and think the clothes are insane and I would never wear them, but obviously other fashion designers think they look good (I'm guessing?). I do agree that the logo isn't super p…

Even things that are created for most people usually need a professional to make it actually good for regular folks. Just like most people can tell if a song is musically good or not, but would struggle to actually create that themselves. Or they know when a physical thing is easy to use, but they'll struggle to create things themselves that are easy to use.

But the point here is exactly that they don't need to create it, they just need to judge it. They make the AI create the logo and then decide if they like it.

I understand your argument but I don't think that's the problem - the problem is that even most users don't understand what a good logo looks like (even if they like them) the same as users don't know what they want. It's a known fact that you shouldn't ask users of a software how it should be designed because if you'd let them design a software they want it would be shit.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

vincvinc wrote: post #301
isitmadeofglass wrote: post #293

Did a reverse image search on the logo and came across this oddity: https://www.knowasiak.com/i-vulnerable-dall%C2%B7e-2-to-gene... Generative ML is going to destroy the internet one day.

how did this happen? is someone generating paraphrased clones of articles appearing on HN? why? for ad revenue?

Didn’t you hear? The internet is dead. We’re stuck in a simulation!

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by bodge5000 »

monkeynotes wrote: post #341
bodge5000 wrote: post #312

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> "artists" will become as common as "photographers" since the inception of digital photography and social media. Funnily enough, reading this made me less worried for artists. It seems now there are more photographers than ever, possibly because more people care about good photography than previously (despite the fact that modern amateur photography is probably on par with yesterdays professional). Maybe art will go…

I am hoping for the Manna situation. Dude on YouTube was talking to GPT3 and it expressed that humans would love, and AI would reason. I fell into a state of peace and hopefulness with that sentiment. AI does the work because it is good at it, we are free to socialize, enjoy hobbies, basically live like pampered pets. Sure we will be castrated to prevent aggression, housed, fed, and controlled by AI, but if you acqui…

I have a feeling what you're describing is the first half of Manna, which isn't really what I meant.

I get theres a feeling that anything but a crushing reality of grind is living like a "pampered pet", but the second half of the book is really saying that a humans skill is in our ability to create, not our ability to work. We outsourced that to primitive machines before we even had a language to speak. We create, the AI works, replace AI with tractor or computer and the concept is the same but doesn't sound so bad, because we accepted it as alright many years ago.

Re: I used DALL·E 2 to generate a logo

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

monkeynotes wrote: post #169

When AI reaches the point where we can talk to a system like DALL.E in real time and work with it to solve a problem, it's game over. Art will become a commodity. Human art and ai art will be indistinguishable, "artists" will become as common as "photographers" since the inception of digital photography and social media. Movie and TV scripts will be iterative with a creative director and AI working together. Animatio…

I think the burden shifts towards being able to imagine and describe the fantasy. Novelty, and artistic creativity is still required. You can bring a horse to water, but you can’t force the horse to drink it. Many humans don’t use their imagination let alone have the eloquence to describe a search space that contains novelty.
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