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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by saiya-jin »

soco wrote: post #54
matsemann wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, as an European it almost feels nice to diversify, so US agencies&companies don't know everything about me..

In this situation the diversification means also the CCP will know everything about you.

1 superpower vs 2 superpowers both of questionable morality doesn't make a difference.

Don't forget we talk about 6.5 billions humans that US already treats as sub-humans as in being entitled to less basic human rights than US citizens. If US wants rest of the world to actually give a damn lets start with this simple issue.

Till then no, I don't care much if also chinese have my browsing data.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by soco »

saiya-jin wrote: post #61
soco wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this situation the diversification means also the CCP will know everything about you.

1 superpower vs 2 superpowers both of questionable morality doesn't make a difference. Don't forget we talk about 6.5 billions humans that US already treats as sub-humans as in being entitled to less basic human rights than US citizens. If US wants rest of the world to actually give a damn lets start with this simple issue. Till then no, I don't care much if also chinese have my browsing data.

If you're a civilian on the receiving end of some bombs, it doesn't make a big difference indeed. For everyone else it does, unless we are taking that high ground argument in which everything is doomed and everyone is a jerk.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by ok_dad »

cudgy wrote: post #30
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #19

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

They could present videos of dogs that look like cats to influence your opinion to be more favorable about dogs. They could simply show addictive videos to school-aged children to reduce their time available to study or interact with other children to make them less intelligent or less socially prepared. Or, they could flood your child’s feed with videos from children their age discussing perceived mental illness sel…

> They they they

I’m, aren’t parents supposed to be keeping track of their own kids, not some company?

The stuff you said in the last half there is insane to me, so I’ll assume you’re either trolling or perhaps we have a very different view of certain things.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by AinderS »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #19

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

> the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia

"It's so weird how scared people are of falling under the control of a foreign government. Don't they know their own government is just as or even more corrupt?"

Granted social media have less influence than a government, but that doesn't make the risk go away. And yes, the same logic applies to US (social) media in other countries, though the relationship between countries should be taken into account when assessing that risk. Though that relationship is itself influenced by media..

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by Siira »

cudgy wrote: post #22

“… we just might be left with more breathing room for smaller, more authentic, more human online engagements.” Like talking and writing directly to a chosen audience of friends instead of acting as an unpaid or low paid content creator / publisher for a social media company? Any examples of recent apps that might accomplish this goal pf authentic human online engagements? Seems like the difficulty is getting enough u…

Telegram channels/groups are good for this.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by towaway15463 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #48
nonrandomstring wrote: post #42

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> Just make one rule for all. This is the correct solution of winning the moral high ground. What Russia has been doing for several decades (see Yuri Bezmenov [1]) is leveraging the "west's" inner discontent. Every time a Watergate or Snowden happens it's a gift to them. It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. We'r…

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> Maybe we didn't punish contrary opinions quite as badly as China / Russia

Understatement of the year. We also currently don’t outlaw homosexuality or religion or engage in genocide and we elect our leaders democratically among other things.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #19

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

Well we know that US intelligence agencies reserve the right to access all data harvested by American companies. They have a law about that.

Do I particularly agree with the CCP politically? No. But I want everyone to be equal to the law and I'm not going to delude myself that Americans give one flying fuck about the privacy of foreigners- or their own citizens even.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by oneoff786 »

fxtentacle wrote: post #48
nonrandomstring wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just make one rule for all. This is the correct solution of winning the moral high ground. What Russia has been doing for several decades (see Yuri Bezmenov [1]) is leveraging the "west's" inner discontent. Every time a Watergate or Snowden happens it's a gift to them. It exposes our 'hypocrisy', and failure to live up to our own democratic standards. That fuels the narrative of the western nations as corrupt. We'r…

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The irony here of doing exactly what was outlined

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

nixcraft wrote: post #5

There is lots of talk going around TikTok, especially now geopolitics has been added to this kind of discussion due to ongoing tensions between two giants. Instead of banning or removing the TikTok app, how about the US government put a firm privacy policy that forbids TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and co from collecting excessive data on users? That would be a better solution, IMHO. Let users download…

>how about the US government put a firm privacy policy that forbids TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and co from collecting excessive data on users

Because the U.S. has access to and therefore benefits from the data that these companies collect. The exception on that list is TikTok - the U.S. can't access that data, but their rival can. That's why they're keen on banning it.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by luckylion »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #26
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #19

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

I'm not American but I hate TikTok because it seems to be the source of all stupid memes and joke videos people share with me. I can't stand it. Even though I don't use it, it still causes people to dump that crap on me. I wish there was an auto filter to remove everything with a TikTok logo because if it has that it's certain I'm going to hate it :) This is mainly because they embed their logo into everything that's…

> I wish there was an auto filter to remove everything with a TikTok logo because if it has that it's certain I'm going to hate it :)

I'd love for that to be an option. I've tried looking at Youtube Shorts and it's pretty much 500 TikTok videos being uploaded by dozens of channels and dumped on everyone. Making it possible to filter by "the TikTok voice", "the TikTok laugh" and the top 5 songs used for TikTok would improve the experience by a lot and I might actually see something I care about. Downvoting doesn't change anything either, they'll even start looping around and showing me Shorts I've downvoted before. Or maybe it's really not used by anyone and automated TikTok uploads are all there is, I don't know.

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