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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#21

Wow. An article about TikTok that has the word poison in it, that is not actually anti-TikTok. How far we have gone. And yes! TikTok is how we break the shackles of big tech. TikTok on its own we can handle. But a Facebook backed by the full force of the US military surveillance industrial complex. That is going to kill off the whole planet.

TikTok is Big Tech. Neither will "kill off the whole planet", but it is so crazy to me that someone who can hate Facebook and the "US military surveillance industrial complex" can consequentially support TikTok. You don't actually have a problem with big tech or surveillance, you have a problem with the US.

Of importance: it has been revealed several times that user identification and data collection has been used for malicious purposes by US intelligence agencies (see NSA and CIA leaks a few years ago)

The same has not been proved for China. There have only been accusations by the US government, followed by an absolute reluctance and failure to provide any proof whatsoever.

The US accuses China of being a bad actor engaging in data surveillance, refuses to back up accusations, and then commits the very same act themselves. The very definition of dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#22
“… we just might be left with more breathing room for smaller, more authentic, more human online engagements.”

Like talking and writing directly to a chosen audience of friends instead of acting as an unpaid or low paid content creator / publisher for a social media company?

Any examples of recent apps that might accomplish this goal pf authentic human online engagements? Seems like the difficulty is getting enough users on a platform to facilitate a broad level of interests without a company being tempted to turning their users into neurological lab rats to be milked for ad revenue.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#23

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

TikTok has massive reach and influence. Just look at the recent articles about teenagers thinking they have mental illnesses [1].

Misinformation campaigns are very powerful and this is especially worrisome when the most popular platform is controlled by an authoritarian regime with no regards to human rights, democracy, and free press.

1: https://www.wsj.com/articles/tiktok-diagnosis-videos-leave-s...

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#24

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

> has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this.

Ya, you're right, China isn't known to collect or do much with population data.

China and the US officially regard each other as adversaries. The CCP outright declares the US to be an enemy. The CCP is also not subject to the rule of law within its own borders, even in theory.

Then you get into the economics of it. The liberal west is generally in favor of free markets, but to what degree do we remain free when dealing with a trading partner who doesn't operate as a liberal democracy? China has banned Google, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram...because they don't want their citizens giving business to foreign powers which they could be directing to their own growing businesses, and they don't want their citizens giving data to foreign powers.

So please clarify, is the US banning TikTok "sinophobia" but China banning Google, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, etc just something else entirely?

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#25

Wow. An article about TikTok that has the word poison in it, that is not actually anti-TikTok. How far we have gone. And yes! TikTok is how we break the shackles of big tech. TikTok on its own we can handle. But a Facebook backed by the full force of the US military surveillance industrial complex. That is going to kill off the whole planet.

TikTok is backed by a Chinese giant, financed by massive Chinese banks which are de facto arms of the Chinse government and wherein Xi can intervene directly.

So this is as 'big brother' as it gets.

Edit:

"Government “golden shares”, tiny investments that give a high degree of control over companies, have been rumoured for years; only recently have they been disclosed in the likes of Weibo and ByteDance." [1]

"In April 2021, a state-owned enterprise owned by the Cyberspace Administration of China, the China Internet Investment Fund, took a partial ownership stake in ByteDance's main Chinese entity and placed a government official, Wu Shugang, on its board of directors" [2]

"ByteDance's China business has a strategic partnership with the Chinese Ministry of Public Security for the ministry's public relations efforts.[ In 2019, ByteDance formed joint ventures with Beijing Time, a publisher controlled by the Beijing municipal CCP committee"

"Yiming issued a letter stating that the app was "incommensurate with socialist core values" and promised that ByteDance would "further deepen cooperation" with the authorities to promote their policies.Following the shutdown, ByteDance announced that it would give preference to Chinese Communist Party members in its hiring and increase its censors from 6,000 to 10,000 employees."

"In April 2022, ByteDance announced that it would report users' content on Toutiao and Douyin that engaged in "historical nihilism" in contradiction of official CCP history"

... the list goes on ...

[1] https://www.economist.com/business/chinas-communist-authorit...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance#cite_note-48

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#26

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

I'm not American but I hate TikTok because it seems to be the source of all stupid memes and joke videos people share with me. I can't stand it. Even though I don't use it, it still causes people to dump that crap on me. I wish there was an auto filter to remove everything with a TikTok logo because if it has that it's certain I'm going to hate it :)

This is mainly because they embed their logo into everything that's shared of course. It's like the tramp stamp of stupid memes.

In this case it works out negatively but I guess there's a lot of people loving mindless entertainment so I guess this is why they still mark their stuff this way.

So in my case it has nothing to do with China even though I'm admittedly opposed to their government. But that's a different thing. FWIW I hate Facebook and Twitter too (for other reasons, Facebook because their datamining, Twitter because of the huge amount of nonsense ("Look I just had chicken wings"). But I use Instagram to follow certain artists.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Nooo please leave Tiktok be, they didn't do anything wrong.... cough cough OSINT treasure trove cough cough

because collecting meme video feeds are vital to OSINT.

People upload all kinds of stuff. I remember seeing videos with a TikTok watermark of Russian military equipment being moved towards the Ukrainian border before the invasion.

E.g. https://www.businessinsider.com/tiktok-shows-russian-troop-b...

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#28
post #5

There is lots of talk going around TikTok, especially now geopolitics has been added to this kind of discussion due to ongoing tensions between two giants. Instead of banning or removing the TikTok app, how about the US government put a firm privacy policy that forbids TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and co from collecting excessive data on users? That would be a better solution, IMHO. Let users download…

They could not even exist without harvesting data - it is their business model.

Unfortunately, the only option is to just leave.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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post #22

“… we just might be left with more breathing room for smaller, more authentic, more human online engagements.” Like talking and writing directly to a chosen audience of friends instead of acting as an unpaid or low paid content creator / publisher for a social media company? Any examples of recent apps that might accomplish this goal pf authentic human online engagements? Seems like the difficulty is getting enough u…

Vibely comes to mind

https://www.vibely.io/

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

#30

An a non-American the level of anti-TikTok sentiment seems really weird, it really does just seem like sinophobia - especially given there's no proof that TikTok is actually being used by the Chinese, whereas Snowden etc. has shown us that the USA already does stuff like this. I'm not really sure what the People's Liberation Army will do with all my cat videos anyway...

They could present videos of dogs that look like cats to influence your opinion to be more favorable about dogs.

They could simply show addictive videos to school-aged children to reduce their time available to study or interact with other children to make them less intelligent or less socially prepared. Or, they could flood your child’s feed with videos from children their age discussing perceived mental illness self-diagnosis to encourage the youth of a nation to consider themselves mentally ill. They could flood young people of primary child-bearing age with videos of other children discussing their homosexuality in order to lower the reproduction rate within a country. They could flood videos that are critical of key practices or institutions within a country to promote dissent.

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