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Oracle Suspended My Account

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Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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HN has a rich history of shadowbanning unwanted users. Everyone should turn on "showdead" on their profile, which, to be fair, is at least an option.

They really shouldn't. People don't get randomly shadowbanned. Turning it on just shows a whole lot of vile, aggressive, hysterical rubbish.

Most dead comments are rubbish. Some are only unpopular. 1 dead comment is enough to shadow ban a new account apparently.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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They are.

HN has a rich history of shadowbanning unwanted users. Everyone should turn on "showdead" on their profile, which, to be fair, is at least an option.

Thank you, I would have never known about this.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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The more this keeps up, the more we'll be back to where we were in the 1990s - self-hosted apps on non-cloud infrastructure that are owned and managed by the companies and orgs who build on them, and not held hostage by cloud companies who have built rent-seeking businesses and eliminated any sort of human support while automating functions with unaccountable and flawed algorithmic decision-making systems. Don't get…

I think people will just continue to roll the dice. When your competitors stay on the cloud, and you have higher expenses because you don't, they'll out-compete you unless they get knocked down by this. But not all of them will and you're competing from behind against whoever is left. It's like not listing on Uber as a restaurant, many individual owners say they hate it but have to do it because everyone else is.

Regulation mightn't be the answer but it serves well in such situations, by removing some of the risk of engaging in risky behaviour because profit always wins. Something very basic like a right to explanation so you can argue your day in court and so on.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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Why do people who pay nothing feel entitled to a) service and b) customer support (neither of which is free to provide)? This makes no sense to me.

Imagine someone offers you a free 1-year lease of a storage unit. You accept and go put some stuff in it, Six months later, you go to get something, and find that they put an extra lock on it and now you can't get to your stuff anymore. Should you just accept that your stuff is gone now, since the unit was free in the first place?

I would not expect any rights to the storage unit if I didn’t pay anything for it. “Consideration” is an important element of a contract; I am not sure a $0 lease is even a valid legal instrument.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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> We're talking about 2 different kind of VPN here, and you know it, please don't spread confusion on that topic. Nobody needs to connect to his own database service using some B2C service like North VPN to obfuscate where the actually queries come from. Honestly, a student/hobbyist from Turkey who is trying specifically to defend against a local eavesdropping or censorship threat, or to work around restrictive firew…

Oracles owes absolutely nothing to someone using their free tier. Oracle doesn't care why would anybody use a public VPN and would certainly mark any person who does that as a fraudster. Finally, here is their pitch for their free tier. That ends that inane discussion with your misplaced moral arguments(also known as entitlement) quite clearly. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32322140

For reference, most of your link is about their time-limited Free Trial when OP is trying to use their Always Free offering - two separate things, and as noted at the top of your link, the Always Free offerings do not have a time limit.

Confusing these two offerings is entirely understandable. But coupling that confusion with insulting me, overlooking or condescendingly mischaracterizing most of my arguments, making unsubstantiated statements about what Oracle would do that are either overconfidently overgeneralized or coming from inside knowledge without proper disclosure, and claiming that your link somehow ends our discussion - now that, all of that taken together is what ends our discussion.

I don't intend to reply further to this sub-thread.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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I have a similar experience. Recently my account got suspended for no reason. I have been logging in and reading up on the tutorials / documentation to see how to use Oracle Cloud and I hadn't even started using any of the free resources yet, but my recently created account got suspended nonetheless. Unless my account was hacked (which I would like to be notified of) I cannot have violated any ToS. I got the same non…

That is so incredibly short-sighted of them. The same thing happened to me. Twice. I guess there was no way for Oracle to know that I was 'kicking the tires' in my personal time, to see if it might be worth migrating some of my previous company's millions in cloud spending to them.

Oh, well.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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eBay is really aggressive with fraud prevention for sellers because there's a bunch of scammers making fake listings trying to make a quick buck and eBay will always reimburse the end customer. I know that if you share any address/payment method/IP address/etc with someone who previously flaked out as a seller, they'll ban your account. It sucks but I don't really know what they could do to improve it.

Actual KYC so they don't base guilt on spurious associations based on dynamic IP or physical addresses that someone else might have used?

Fair, although given their global reach and the relatively low value of most transactions there, it’s understandable why that isn’t an easy solution.

Meaningful KYC as fraud prevention on eBay would probably practically result in them limiting service to a handful of countries. Global banks don’t find it financially worthwhile to serve the entire world with KYC for customers with millions of dollars of deposits.

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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I wait for the day that this conduct becomes illegal, because it can destroy people's lives. It is actually surprising that consumer protection laws do not yet address the issue of due process.

It is planned to become illegal in the EU soon. The Digital Services Act requires that if on the basis of law/copyright or terms of service violation the service is doing any of the following actions, then there are things it must do: removing or hiding content, stop providing service to a user, suspend/terminate a user's account, or suspend/terminate monitation for a peice of content or user. It must provide a clear…

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Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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The ironic thing about Oracle and Larry Ellison in particular, is that they invented both cloud computing and chromebooks back in 1996. They called it Network Computing and Network Computer respectively. Ellison talked about centralizing complexity (what we today call the cloud) and having simple end-user computers that he called network computers (realized today as chromebooks). Back in 1996 this was an outlandish i…

This is a good story!

Maybe the wave wasn't ready to be caught in 1996, hypervisors like VMWare and Xen weren't a thing yet (IIRC Amazon leveraged Xen to get AWS started in the late 00s).

Re: Oracle Suspended My Account

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I don’t understand how Oracle can convince companies to sign with them considering their behaviour.

Oracle doesn't sell to you. Oracle sells to your vice-president, on the golf course. The reason they have this free-tier at all is to be able to say "yes, your engineers can go in and evaluate this for free".

Maybe the Oracle of old, but this strategy isn't common for any cloud vendors these days.
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