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Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by helmholtz » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:20 PM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #43

picture wrote: post #26

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Have you come across any good (or, better ,) cookbooks or resources for simple and nutritious food? I'm about to go to college so it would be a great help

I have heard good things about Tim Ferriss' The Four Hour Chef , though I have not read it myself. What I like about it is that it seems to focus on the process of cooking, rather than giving you a list of recipes. It's about turning you into "someone who cooks" rather than documenting such and such recipe. The rules of thumb, which I am paraphrasing from secondhand discussions about the book, are as follows: 1. Buy…

Flat leafed parsley, Parmesan, and mix this all into farfalle and its a Gordon Ramsay approved recipe.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by antisthenes » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:21 PM UTC

lezojeda wrote: post #18

pessimizer wrote: post #3

> “People need to know they should cook more and prepare their own food from scratch. I know. We say we don’t have time but it really doesn’t take that much time,” Suemoto said. This is bullshit in a very important way: you have to know how to cook. Bring back home economics classes.

And tbh, it really does take time to prepare a good meal, including washing dishes and all that. For those of us living alone it takes a good chunk of our free time after work.

Having a sharp knife and preparing food in bulk for at least 3-4 meals is key to time savings. Most single men that I know like to prep food for the entire work week in advance.

If you're making a single serving (e.g. single dinner for yourself), then the overhead of cleaning dishes and pans makes it uneconomical to do so.

Also, certain things in cooking don't need supervision and you can perform other chores during that time (e.g. making beef/chicken stock in a pot, baking a roast, etc.)

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by nobody9999 » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:21 PM UTC

kayodelycaon wrote: post #37

omginternets wrote: post #14

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Nah. I work long hours and still find time to cook. Dinner takes about 15 mins to prepare, on average. I think the issue has more to do with people not knowing how to cook things that are both simple and nutritious. I really feel for people who are trying to learn; every beginner's cookbook is full of things that require specific ingredients, complicated prep work, or a shit-ton of chopping. I've toyed around with th…

I don’t know anything how to cook anything from fresh ingredients that takes just 15 minutes from entering the kitchen to going to the table to eat. It takes 7 minutes for my kettle to bring 1.5 L of water to boil. (Yay 120v…) Instant oatmeal I guess? Anything requiring dairy or eggs won’t work.

>Anything requiring dairy or eggs won’t work.

Is that because you're vegan, or because you think it takes a long time?

I'll be having an omelette for dinner this evening and if it takes me more than 10 or so minutes to prepare, I'll be quite surprised.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by omginternets » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:21 PM UTC

nonameiguess wrote: post #63

kayodelycaon wrote: post #37

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I don’t know anything how to cook anything from fresh ingredients that takes just 15 minutes from entering the kitchen to going to the table to eat. It takes 7 minutes for my kettle to bring 1.5 L of water to boil. (Yay 120v…) Instant oatmeal I guess? Anything requiring dairy or eggs won’t work.

Non-instant oatmeal takes 5 minutes. Eggs 2 minutes (but fine if you won't eat them). Broiling a steak takes 6 minutes. Broiling a salmon filet takes 15 minutes. A single serving of rice in a saucepan takes about 15 minutes. Steaming or sauteeing vegetables takes about 10 minutes, plus a few more to chop them up at the start (though not the insane time to dice tomatoes or onions). Boiling and mashing potatoes takes a…

Adding to this (excellent) summary:

- Buy the best ingredients you can

- Taste and smell as you go

- Don't overcook

Following these three rules will allow for culinary experimentation, while avoiding disaster.

Final bit of advice: enjoy it. It's fun to make something delicious, especially after a hard day full of "emotional labor" and whatnot.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by drooby » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:21 PM UTC

photochemsyn wrote: post #2

There are a wide variety of heavily promoted dietary identities - from vegan to carnivore - but I'm convinced that in terms of one's health, eliminating these processed food items from one's diet is the one that has the most long-term benefits. The only downside is that relying only on 'real food' ingredients requires a fair amount of cooking, but the effort is well worth the payback. There's no snappy one-word term…

I believe a Whole-Food Diet is the term for a non-processed diet.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by omginternets » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:22 PM UTC

helmholtz wrote: post #71

omginternets wrote: post #43

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I have heard good things about Tim Ferriss' The Four Hour Chef , though I have not read it myself. What I like about it is that it seems to focus on the process of cooking, rather than giving you a list of recipes. It's about turning you into "someone who cooks" rather than documenting such and such recipe. The rules of thumb, which I am paraphrasing from secondhand discussions about the book, are as follows: 1. Buy…

Flat leafed parsley, Parmesan, and mix this all into farfalle and its a Gordon Ramsay approved recipe.

Agreed, but let's not overwhelm the guy/gal ;)

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by omginternets » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:22 PM UTC

garettmd wrote: post #35

omginternets wrote: post #5

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Incidentally, I think this is also why many extreme diets seem to have some evidence in favor of their health benefits. From where I'm standing, it seems like veganism/paleo/etc start being linked to various problems right around the time the agro industry starts cranking out specialized (read: highly-processed) products. Relatedly: I'm taking bets regarding lab-grown meat.

Which direction are you betting on lab-grown meats?

I'm betting they go in the same direction as margarine.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by nonethewiser » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

helmholtz wrote: post #60

Animats wrote: post #28

It's not clear that "ultraprocessed" is the issue. The article says "they are usually very high in sugar, salt and fat". Too much salt and sugar are known to be problems. That has nothing to do with processing. Although it does have to do with what will sell. The author has a "natural" bias.

This seems like unnecessary nitpicking. What would you say are examples of ultraprocessed food that's not full of salt, sugar and fat?

That misses his point. You can have too much sugar/salt/fat without eating a single "ultra" processed food. So if the root of the problem is sugar/salt/fat it doesn't simply follow that "ultra" processed food is the problem.

Re: Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

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Post by tootie » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:23 PM UTC

helmholtz wrote: post #60

Animats wrote: post #28

It's not clear that "ultraprocessed" is the issue. The article says "they are usually very high in sugar, salt and fat". Too much salt and sugar are known to be problems. That has nothing to do with processing. Although it does have to do with what will sell. The author has a "natural" bias.

This seems like unnecessary nitpicking. What would you say are examples of ultraprocessed food that's not full of salt, sugar and fat?

The point here is that they are essentially defining "ultraprocessed" as being full of salt, fat and sugar. I can go buy a frozen pizza at Trader Joe's that contains organic flour, yeast, tomatoes and cheese. Nutritionally identical to what I'd make at home. I can also grind sugar cane and wheat berries and churn butter in my kitchen to make a cake that is just as unhealthy as a Twinkie.

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Post by omginternets » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 6:24 PM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #67

omginternets wrote: post #53

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If you truly cannot find 15-30 mins for this, then I have no advice to offer. For the rest, having your groceries delivered is one solution. Life is about trade-offs.

Maybe we could unionize the tech industry so we have the time to cook healthy meals.

If you're working so many hours that you physically cannot cook for yourself, then you have my sincerest sympathy, but that is not the norm. Speak for yourself.