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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by DonHopkins »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #368
kkielhofner wrote: post #280

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The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

I think the main point of removing this exclusion is that you can be depressed and bereaved at the same time. Or you could be so depressed due to bereavement that you still need treatment. In DSM-V it's left to the clinician to distinguish between clinically significant depression and a healthy, transitory reaction to bereavement. The reason for this is to avoid cases where people who need treatment are dismissed too…

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Post by corobo »

jrm4 wrote: post #7
overthemoon wrote: post #5

Tik Tok is the reason I've been told several times I have ADHD. Pretty sure I don't! This phenomenon is so infuriating. The only half-convincing defense I've heard of it is that it could, maybe, theoretically, disseminate information about illnesses to people who don't have the money to see a professional, but the other effects are so much worse it doesn't seem worth it.

Tiktok and pop-culture generally make me very skeptical on "ADHD", the so-called "spectrum" and "neurodivergence" generally. I'm not saying these things don't exist, but much of it seems very difficult to falsify -- which needs to be the gold standard of determining these sort of things; e.g. "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?"

> "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?"

Isn't that called differential diagnosis?

For me they were essentially post-diagnosing childhood ADHD. Not much of my present existence was relevant other than the effects it had on my life now (whether I need meds or not). Sure I could have lied but it would have been a hell of a lie to build and keep straight across my appointments.

I was also asked if I'd heard of ADHD from TikTok.. not sure what the result would have been if I had.

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Post by rngname22 »

freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

There are also online communities where people (the posts read as children/teens but that may be my own bias) actively discuss and strategize about how to essentially 'summon' / 'create' / manifest a second internal person in their mind. Like, they essentially actively _try_ to create an 'imaginary friend' that is more than just imaginary but is almost a split personality like entity. The goal is for the 'thoughts' / internal monologue of that second entity to feel like they are thoughts that are not generated by the host, but instead truly feel to be generated by an external entity.

That community is called tulpas and the subreddit bears the same name.

By one token you could seemingly accurately describe the discussion there as unchaperoned children and teens actively trying to become mentally ill through meditation and self-talk.

On the other hand, I remember when I was a kid we used to talk about how maybe if we wished hard enough we could become more powerful like the characters in Dragonball Z. And I remember a web forum where kids talked about how maybe Digimon was real and there was a parallel universe where Digimon existed and how the forumbase could merge that world with our own if they wished hard enough.

So maybe kids have always been quite out there and it just looks more alarming when you are an adult.

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Post by 2000UltraDeluxe »

AlexandrB wrote: post #84
2000UltraDeluxe wrote: post #29

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I suspect the gp had an implied "/s" and was referring to things like the infamous Chick tracts and so on.

Pretty sure the parent was being sarcastic in response, given obviously false statements like: > Well done, everything is harmless.

D'oh!

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Post by arrosenberg »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

A meme is a memetic virus, people just forgot it can cut both ways because of the funny cat pictures in the early 00s.

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Post by newsclues »

MichaelCollins wrote: post #126

It feels as though our society has collectively forgotten that mental illness can be socially transmissible. I remember in 00s there seemed to be mainstream acknowledgement and concern that anorexia and distorted perception of one's body can be socially transmissible, ripping through teen social cliches particularly, and could be spread through the internet by "pro-ana" websites and chat groups. I don't hear much abo…

The social transmission is obvious in clusters to youth becoming trans.

It’s willful blindness

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Post by bobkazamakis »

falcolas wrote: post #164
jrm4 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tiktok and pop-culture generally make me very skeptical on "ADHD", the so-called "spectrum" and "neurodivergence" generally. I'm not saying these things don't exist, but much of it seems very difficult to falsify -- which needs to be the gold standard of determining these sort of things; e.g. "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?"

We can't seem to have a discussion about neurological disorders without someone denying the existence - while trying to appear like they are not - of some of the best explored neurological disorders based on some fuzzy skepticism that displays they have read none of the vast swaths of scientific studies that exist on the topic. > By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent? Easy:…

>Easy: is the severity of the ADHD and Autistic traits you exhibit low enough that they do not impair your ability to function on a day-to-day basis in society? If not, you don't have ADHD or Autism.

Easy: define "function on a day-to-day basis in society"

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Post by standardUser »

kkielhofner wrote: post #280
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #189

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The bar also got a lot lower than back then. You jump over the gaps in the tiles on the road? You must have OCD. You broke up with your bf/gf.. you must have depression. You're happy a bit? Bipolar disorder. You're a guy and play with a barbie... trans. Less horny, asexual. And let's not forget a bunch of adhd/autism and other disorders, when a kid gets bored in school. On the other hand, we have professionals (docto…

The language has shifted as well. You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. Depression and anxiety are medical diagnoses. The other are normal emotions everyone can, should, and does experience. If you don’t ever worry or get sad about anything there’s probably something else wrong with you. In terms of diagnoses, the DSM-4 included a “bereavement exclusion” from the depression diagnostic c…

I strongly disagree. I think most people I know are careful to not throw around the word "depression" when they talk about being sad. They are keenly aware of the difference. And they know the difference between "being anxious" or "having anxiety" and having an actual anxiety disorder. Of course, a lot of times the lines are blurred. Whole most medical professionals are forced to draw a stark line in order to make an actionable diagnosis, actual people realize that these are all on a spectrum. Some of us may have occasional OCD tendencies or mild body dysmorphia without needing medical intervention. Though self-awareness and discussing the issue with friends and a therapist always seem to help, even if meds or more involved therapy aren't needed.

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Post by xwdv »

jimmaswell wrote: post #362
xwdv wrote: post #340

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Is gender real? No, gender is a societal construct that describes the presentation of males and females. Therefore, if gender isn’t real, gender dysphoria isn’t real. If society had no concept of gender, it is highly likely that far less people would report feeling they should have the sex organs of their opposite sex instead of what they have now, especially if they had no previous exposure or experience with such o…

> If society had no concept of gender Yeah, well, it does, and that's the world we live in right now. We're affected by a lot of things that aren't "real" like laws, social status, and fiat money.

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