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Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by dijit »

cercatrova wrote: post #79
dijit wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden & Denmark favour high taxes and social responsibility; I'm sure you are aware but in socialist countries, healthcare, education and economic support are all provided free to every citizen, regardless of how much they earn. Sweden & Denmark absolutely live that vision. People get confused because they've conflated socialism and communism, where communism is a means of controlling and distributing the means of p…

> People get confused because they've conflated socialism and communism, where communism is a means of controlling and distributing the means of production across the people; an economic model that differs from socialism which puts the needs of the people in control of the state; but allows innovation outside of that. This is incorrect. Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a post-capitali…

The problem with our understanding of the term is that it's used by people who mean socialism to be communism, and have conflated them. (perhaps unintentionally).

Even in Marxist theory, which is the point of reference to communism, Karl Marx States: ‘socialism is the first stage of the worldwide transition to communism’

Ergo it is not communism in of itself.

I'll leave this little prose from the bottom of the dictionary definition for socialism:

> The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by gregdoesit »

pavlov wrote: post #61
gregdoesit wrote: post #51

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I'm building the site (but I didn't submit this Show HN). The private part of the shares are clearly marked as private in details, and there's an explainer eg at [1]. I do think it's important to include private equity in packages. My Uber stock package turned out to be worth a lot of money once the company went public. I now have friends at Databricks with massive packages - which can go up or down, and are dependen…

Oh, cool, thanks! I didn't notice it's already there in the job posting's details. How about promoting this flag to a column in the high-level grid display? It's pretty interesting, and would allow you to get a quick overview of the ratio of startups vs established companies. I imagine this would look rather different for Estonia vs Luxembourg, for example. You are right about the importance of this information. But…

Thanks for the suggestion! I do want to do a better job visualising things in the overview. I’ll think about how to do it, without being too confusing.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by dijit »

ptr wrote: post #45
rhodorhoades wrote: post #32

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Swedens and Norways top political parties have ‘social’ in their name. Also, I would say socialism is more of a sliding scale based on ‘how big’ the role of government is. It depends on what level of the ‘social programs’ fall under the perview of the government vs. private industry. I would say Sweden and Denmark are more ‘socialist leaning’ compared to other democratic republics of the world.

Government spending per GDP in Sweden is 50.6%, Germany is 51.5%, France 59.9%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263220/public-spending-r...

Government Spending does not need to be spent on social causes (USA for example).

Government spending is spending, it can be investments, defence, police, social programs, education, pensions, etc;etc;etc;

You can infer precisely nothing from this data.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by gregdoesit »

WJW wrote: post #3

Trimodal distribution in full display there, wow. Also, the "anonymization" of companies is so specific as to be almost useless. There's only one ride sharing company with an office in Amsterdam AFAIK, just as there are not all that many internationally operating social networks there. It would be better to just spell out the names I think.

Working on more generic anonymized names! The goal is not to guess which ones these companies are.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by commandlinefan »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #6
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #2

The worst bit about this is that in Europe, employers don't have to pay for insurance versus the US side yet we still find ways to dick over our European hires by having them come in very low. I've worked at places making 150k USD where the most knowledgeable people I worked with were making 90k GBP in Europe. We lost a lot of people during the great exodus of inflation at the beginning of the "Ukraine training exerc…

>in Europe, employers don't have to pay for insurance They do in some cases. In France and Austria (I think Germany and others too), the gross salary you negociate to get is actually even higher for the employer as there is a tax the employer must pay on top of that to cover his side of the social contributions. I wish this would be more transparent. What you said applies to places like Denmark, Switzerland, where th…

That happens in America as well, and I don't think people are well aware of it - the employer is required to pay unemployment insurance on top of the salary they pay to each employee. If you collect unemployment, this is where that money comes from.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by OJFord »

gregdoesit wrote: post #42

Hi! I'm building this website, but I did not submit this show HN here. I don't think the site is ready for such a submission, it's currently in alpha - very clearly marked. It's not even beta-ready yet! The data set so far is small - limited to a few countries - and we're working behind the scenes. There are also lots of known issues, and a few data issues. I'm hoping this site will help people in tech get a better s…

Then it should not be 'Show HN', presumably OP just didn't realise, but that's for showing one's own work, not someone else's.

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by __derek__ »

gregdoesit wrote: post #84
__derek__ wrote: post #78

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Why build something new rather than encourage folks to submit on levels.fyi? There's already data for EU-based roles.[1] [1]: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software%20Engineer&c...

An interesting question here, on Hacker News. Why did Paul Graham build Hacker News rather than encourage the use of Digg? It already had submissions of similar types that Hacker News started with. I assume it was because things were missing off Digg that Hacker News built, and the two sites ended up serving different audiences in the end. Why build something new rather than encourage using existing services? Because…

Building a brand is a fine answer, but this is incorrect:

> The most obvious answer: TechPays caters for countries not present on eg levels.fyi - see how there are no data points for eg Estonia, Hungary, Belgium etc.

All three of those countries have submissions on levels.fyi.[1][2][3]

[1] Estonia: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software%20Engineer&c...

[2]: Hungary: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software%20Engineer&c...

[3]: Belgium: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software%20Engineer&c...

Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

gregdoesit wrote: post #42

Hi! I'm building this website, but I did not submit this show HN here. I don't think the site is ready for such a submission, it's currently in alpha - very clearly marked. It's not even beta-ready yet! The data set so far is small - limited to a few countries - and we're working behind the scenes. There are also lots of known issues, and a few data issues. I'm hoping this site will help people in tech get a better s…

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Re: Tech Compensation in Europe

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Post by gregdoesit »

__derek__ wrote: post #97
gregdoesit wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An interesting question here, on Hacker News. Why did Paul Graham build Hacker News rather than encourage the use of Digg? It already had submissions of similar types that Hacker News started with. I assume it was because things were missing off Digg that Hacker News built, and the two sites ended up serving different audiences in the end. Why build something new rather than encourage using existing services? Because…

Building a brand is a fine answer, but this is incorrect: > The most obvious answer: TechPays caters for countries not present on eg levels.fyi - see how there are no data points for eg Estonia, Hungary, Belgium etc. All three of those countries have submissions on levels.fyi.[1][2][3] [1] Estonia: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software%20Engineer&c... [2]: Hungary: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Sof…

I had no idea. Always assumed it was limited to these countries listed here: https://www.levels.fyi/locations/

The point stands that I’m building an Europe-focused site, being a former hiring manager based here. Eg in Hungary, the compensation data is in HUF for most companies with local contracts. On TechPays, this information is in HUF. On levels, it seems to be in USD.

It’s a different site. I’m building it because I’d like to have something with more details on this market and because it’s a very fun side project and an excuse to keep coding.

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