I'd love to share my comp, but as the only person in my country at my rank in my department (at a 100k-person global company!) I might as well just post it on LinkedIn.
Tech Compensation in Europe
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#72I was going to slam you for negotiating a laughable "up to €45,000 per year", but then realised it was 'up to €45,000 more per year".
Carry on.
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#73Info: this does not work in Firefox (102 on linux, but that's a detail) with content blocking enabled, because Firefox does not allow to load jQuery from google's CDN. > The resource at “ https://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/3.5.1/jquery.mi... was blocked because content blocking is enabled. And then there are cascading errors.
Thanks! Another reason this is still in alpha - I was not ready for someone to submit this to HN just yet. Wow, how the world changed from using Google's CDNs to having to host it yourself. I just pushed a fix to move the script to the local domain. It will be live in a few minutes.
Thanks, all good now!
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tax returns are public in Sweden too. I would guess it's the same in Denmark (even if they're not quite as socialist); Perhaps Finland. But the majority of tech in Europe is: Dublin, Berlin and Amsterdam. AFAIK none of those have host countries which publicly disclose tax information;
Sweden and Denmark don’t differ in how much “socialist” they are. Also, they’re not socialist countries.
Thank you
/a dane ;-)
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Swedens and Norways top political parties have ‘social’ in their name. Also, I would say socialism is more of a sliding scale based on ‘how big’ the role of government is. It depends on what level of the ‘social programs’ fall under the perview of the government vs. private industry. I would say Sweden and Denmark are more ‘socialist leaning’ compared to other democratic republics of the world.
Government spending per GDP in Sweden is 50.6%, Germany is 51.5%, France 59.9%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/263220/public-spending-r...
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#76This is why I dislike the fight against location based pay in the U.S. People are heated about how they add the same value whether in SF or Kentucky, but forget there are people even more valuable than them getting paid significantly less. If you are fighting against location based pay, you should be asking your employer to pay all employees on similar teams worldwide the same
This is exactly what has been happening frequently in our company's Slack channels.
Highly paid Bay Area developer moves to elsewhere in the US and complains that they got a pay cut.
Developer in low cost US city agrees and says they should be paid Bay Area salaries as well.
Canadian developer points out that they get paid lower than anyone in the US despite having very high costs of living.
Someone else says think of how much the developers in India are getting paid for doing the exact same work.
Developers in India go - we are very happy with our salaries, leave us out of this please.
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#77It'll be interesting when they add Southern Europe. I've seen adverts for experienced developers that pay €35k. And life isn't that much cheaper in the cities here.
That sounds ...very low, right? Given that it will be very easy to get twice that(and more) in northern Europe.
Yep - the decent companies tend to pay like €60-70k though.
It's really bimodal, like in OP's post. The big multinationals tend to pay decent wages and the others pay a pittance.
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#78Hi! I'm building this website, but I did not submit this show HN here. I don't think the site is ready for such a submission, it's currently in alpha - very clearly marked. It's not even beta-ready yet! The data set so far is small - limited to a few countries - and we're working behind the scenes. There are also lots of known issues, and a few data issues. I'm hoping this site will help people in tech get a better s…
Why build something new rather than encourage folks to submit on levels.fyi? There's already data for EU-based roles.[1]
[1]: https://www.levels.fyi/comp.html?track=Software%20Engineer&c...
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sweden and Denmark don’t differ in how much “socialist” they are. Also, they’re not socialist countries.
Sweden & Denmark favour high taxes and social responsibility; I'm sure you are aware but in socialist countries, healthcare, education and economic support are all provided free to every citizen, regardless of how much they earn. Sweden & Denmark absolutely live that vision. People get confused because they've conflated socialism and communism, where communism is a means of controlling and distributing the means of p…
> People get confused because they've conflated socialism and communism, where communism is a means of controlling and distributing the means of production across the people; an economic model that differs from socialism which puts the needs of the people in control of the state; but allows innovation outside of that.
This is incorrect. Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Communism is a post-capitalist classless stateless society. When people say socialist in terms of the Nordic countries, it is more about social democracy than workers owning the means of production.
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#80I and everyone I know are severely underpaid, or this site is a bit wrong.
I'm with you.
At Thales (big french tech company), AFAIU there's essentially no way of reaching 60kEUR/year without becoming a manager.
And even then, reaching 100K requires climbing a lot more levels.