TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021) • Hacker News Board

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:06 PM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #333

qzx_pierri wrote: post #288

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Men commit suicide 3.8x more than women[1] due to cavalier attitudes such as yours about the mental struggles men face. I'm not saying you're a "part of the problem", I'm just saying you could really benefit from admitting to yourself that yes, men do cry. Yes, men do feel the same emotions as women. Yes, men do have to hold it in for fear of being labeled a "pussy" or be seen as "crying like a little bitch". 1: http…

This is a little misleading. Men attempt suicide with more reliably lethal methods like firearms, whereas women attempt suicide using more unreliably lethal methods like overdosing on medication [1]. In fact, according to your link, women attempt suicide at a rate of 1.8x that of men [2]. [1]: https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-m... [2]: https://www.datocms-assets.com/12810/1649682186-14296_af…

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by woweoe » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:07 PM UTC

sam0x17 wrote: post #40

nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

I for one will be giving my child unfettered and unmonitored access to the internet as I had growing up. I will be suplementing that experience with plenty of education on how to avoid some of the pitfalls, but I find the best way to learn that stuff is to experience it yourself.

I think that the biggest difference with the current situation is the 24/7 reach. You were forced to unplug from the internet for much of the day during your generation simply because there was no way to reach the internet, but nowadays you are on the internet for everything and you can't even unplug to study, work or contact anyone. Anyone who is on TikTok uses it all their waking time.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by nemo44x » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:08 PM UTC

jnovek wrote: post #201

originalvichy wrote: post #167

I can't stop seeing the heavy gender skew in online communities centred around these topics. Both the sexual orientation as well as mental disorder communities like this seem to be most popular among teenager or young adult women. As a man I don't know how teenage hormones affect girls different than boys at that age, so I can't even give an uneducated guess as to what could be the source of this attraction towards q…

This is because women are under-diagnosed for most mental health disorders except for Bipolar and BPD, for which they are over-diagnosed. They build communities because their doctors aren’t helping them.

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:09 PM UTC

anotherman554 wrote: post #313

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #264

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You can agree or disagree, but the fact is that diagnoses almost always include a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life. It's not merely a value judgment, and it's definitely not an arbitray judgement. The AMA or the CDC can't just decide that blod hair is now a medical disorder for no other reason than it would be helpful to your strawman. Clearly a lot of r…

"...a mandatory requirement that the condition has a significant negative impact on the patient's life." Lot's of things have negative impacts that aren't considered medical conditions, on the other hand Elan Musk says he has Aspergers. Nobody seems to doubt it. This shows that someone can climb to the top of the social world but still be told they have a disease supposedly associated with "significant negative impac…

And FDR had polio. JFK had Addison's disease and required regular treatment. Alan Turing revolutionised pretty much all of science and then committed suicide. Clearly someone can be pretty much maximally successful in their endeavours, and yet still have diseases that have a significant negative impact on their life, whether it's their sense of happiness, problems with interpersonal relations, or mobility.

As for doubting Elon Musk's claims: I generally don't raise doubts about someone claiming a diagnosis. I know from personal experience how shitty it feels to have the veracity of your suffering questioned like that. And in Musk's case, I have no issue believing he has some interpersonal issues, and asperger's(autism spectrum disorder in DSM-V) could explain that, so I don't see any reason to doubt him in this case.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by fsociety » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:10 PM UTC

solumunus wrote: post #238

DoughnutHole wrote: post #20

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Well the problem with ADHD is the same problem of pretty much all psychological disorders - diagnosis is only ever really fuzzily falsifiable. You get diagnosed with it if you tick enough of the boxes of behaviours/dysfunctions associated with it - you can fall short of a diagnosis by one behaviour and still be in a very similar condition to a diagnosed person, or tick enough boxes but fall short based on the diagnos…

> The interesting thing is that despite the condition being composed of a wide gamut of seemingly unrelated behaviour, ~90% of people with ADHD respond extremely well to the same treatment - stimulant medication. This is constantly presented as some sort of ultimate validation of these disorders and every time I read it I'm absolutely baffled. Stimulants used in ADHD medication improve focus and productivity for almo…

This is not true at all. LocalPCGuy made a great comment refuting this. Brain scans also show the unique difference between someone with and without ADHD and what medication does to both brains.

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Post by cloutchaser » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:10 PM UTC

frozenlettuce wrote: post #356

cloutchaser wrote: post #271

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Or in teenage years they are much more prone to infectious ideas. (this is a fact, and was proven with things like the anorexia epidemic)

People usually only think about sexual predators preying on young people, but there are lots of "ideological predators" doing the same thing. Libertarians, communists, religious folks (yes, I know that this post upsets the whole political spectrum).

Spreading a predatory ideology of “let everyone be free unless they hurt others” is a lot less damaging to society than spreading: “X group is oppressing you and you should be resentful and take revenge on them”

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by kelseyfrog » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:10 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #243

originalvichy wrote: post #167

I can't stop seeing the heavy gender skew in online communities centred around these topics. Both the sexual orientation as well as mental disorder communities like this seem to be most popular among teenager or young adult women. As a man I don't know how teenage hormones affect girls different than boys at that age, so I can't even give an uneducated guess as to what could be the source of this attraction towards q…

Women have always thought and talked more about their feelings than men. It's probably how we're built to some extent.

As someone who has experience in both hormonal regimes, it's a mix of biological substrate and social license. Neither outweigh the other - they're self-reinforcing.

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:11 PM UTC

kkielhofner wrote: post #379

Apocryphon wrote: post #370

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> To me, you can be depressed about something and not have depression. You can be anxious about something and not have anxiety. Those are slightly more sophisticated uses of sad and worry. You are contradicting your own examples: > You’re not sad, you’re depressed. You don’t worry, you have anxiety. It's possible the people are expressing they are feeling depressed or having anxiety in a colloquial way without confus…

You missed the sarcasm/jest on my first examples. I should have tagged them or been clearer. On the later the separation is: “I’m depressed” = Sad or a variation of it. “I have depression” = Diagnosis of a disorder

I really don’t believe people are casually using self-diagnosing language over using the variation that simply indicates their mood. Perhaps feeling depressed or anxious are more intense versions of feeling sad or worried, as they indicate persistence of negative feeling. But given all that has happened over the last couple of years, it is arguable that society as a whole is more susceptible to intense feelings.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:12 PM UTC

jimmaswell wrote: post #162

nemo44x wrote: post #15

For all of human history across every culture, parents would do what they could to keep their kids away from “bad influences”. You move to certain areas, go to certain places, are members of certain organizations etc. which serve to socialize your kids with kids from families that have shared values. You don’t talk to strangers. With the internet and especially media like TikTok parents are exposing their kids to unt…

I've joked that Tik Tok is a Chinese psyop meant to weaken the next generation of the west (it's banned in China itself), but it looks less like a joke all the time.

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by nikolay » Mon, Aug 01, 2022, 4:12 PM UTC

Most people using TitTok already have a mental disorder called "narcissism". Not so long from now, companies like Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok would be banned for the impossible to measure but huge damage made to the society. Facebook is also evil, but for many other types of damages. And it's not like these companies don't know what they actually are causing - they perfect know to conditions they put youngster into, make he acute, and profit from it! This is not moral and soon should be illegal!