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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by cookiecaper »

wes-exp wrote: post #194
kylewpppd wrote: post #173

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I fail to see how anyone can recommend homebrew as a viable solution to package management on OS X. You have to compile everything. Coming from apt-get or yum makes brew, port, and fink look like a joke.

I'm using both Linux and OS X regularly. Apt is awesome, without a doubt, particularly for the breadth of software available. And on the whole, I agree that Homebrew is considerably inferior. But there is one aspect I'm liking better about the Homebrew/Mac approach. With Homebrew I can have the latest software without a problem, because the OS itself is not so hooked in to the web of package manager dependencies. In…

Yes, you should try switching to a rolling release distro. Arch is great. I've been using it for the last five or six years now and have had no desire to switch to a new main distro, though I try out the major ones periodically and install them for certain applications.

Arch is definitely the best workstation for a developer. The convenience of binary packages, the flexibility of PKGBUILDs (analogous to Gentoo's ebuilds, but much more reasonable), vanilla packages and quick releases make it a dream workstation for a developer, despite a rare wonkiness here or there. It works much better than Ubuntu et al for a development box.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by whiskers »

MostAwesomeDude wrote: post #108
whiskers wrote: post #46

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"breathtakingly expensive hardware and software" Where can you get something considerably cheaper than the Macbook Airs that sport: - 128GB SSD (13") - 1440x900 (13") display - 4GB of RAM - Core i5 - operating system included - thin, light, and have quality construction For £1099 including taxes?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230... is such a thing, and at $1099 USD, it's nearly half of your quoted price. Unfortunately, it has a widescreen which has more pixels than you asked for, but somehow I don't think that's a bad thing. It comes with Windows, but if you want a real operating system , you can install any Linux you like on there. Or a BSD. Go for it. Also, I was going to just an…

And here's the same product from a UK BASED high street retailer:

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/asus-ux31e-ultrabook-silver-11...

Price: £999

A "breathtaking" 10% price difference which I'm happy to swallow for Thunderbolt, my preferred OS, and much better (walk in!) customer support.

(Also my late 2008 aluminium Macbook is still going strong with solid hinges to boot!)

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by HSO »

Tichy wrote: post #155
HSO wrote: post #58

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Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

I think your comments just highlight the user unfriendlyness. Am I really supposed to enter some cryptic shell command I copied from the internet to be able to see my hidden files? I can never remember keyboard shortcuts, even for screenshots I have to Google every time because I make them only infrequently. Instead of buying an alternative file manager, why not just install another OS...

> I think your comments just highlight the user unfriendlyness.

More like I invested some time to learn the system I use.

But I'm curious, which system do you suggest is so "user friendly" that everything is instantly and intuitively discoverable without resort to documentation or google whatsoever? Or are you telling me that you learnt, I presume, Linux incantations from staring at the keyboard and deep breathing?

> Am I really supposed to enter some cryptic shell command

Yes, you are. It's a standard shell command. You can even look it up on Google in 5 secs. You want every option and contingency printed on the screen or keyboard?

> I can never remember keyboard shortcuts

My rule is, if I really need a shortcut, I'll remember it because I use it so often; if I only need it sometimes, I look it up in my notes or on Google; and if I only use it once or twice, what's the use of the shortcut in the first place? I disable it (if it's on by default) and save the combination for sth I might actually use.

> Instead of buying an alternative file manager, why not just install another OS...

Yeah right, and if a fly flies through your window, I assume you also pull out the flame thrower, yes? :-D

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by HSO »

pyre wrote: post #219
HSO wrote: post #76

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> And makes using multiple monitors even more pathetic on OS X (the menu for a window on a secondary monitor being displayed on the primary monitor, etc, etc)... Yes, that's one of my gripes too. Note that I didn't say OS X was perfect . I took issue with this pompous litany of faux issues.

> I took issue with this pompous litany of faux issues. You are either accusing the poster of out-right deception in order to make OSX look back, or you are attacking the user for real issues that he/she came up against. Which is it? (If it's the later, then I view this as the Mac version of the Linux literate telling new users to 'RTFM' instead of being helpful.)

Weder-noch (neither nor)!

I'd take the "pompous" back if I could. But yeah, "RTFM" (Mac edition); it's a good idea to put in some minimal search effort before writing a long list of pseudo-issues. There are real issues that could have been discussed instead and compared between systems to learn sth.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by HSO »

st3fan wrote: post #229
HSO wrote: post #58

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Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

> They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. But when you do press ALT .. magic! The window resizes on both sides! Awesome feature :-)

Try holding down the Shift-key as well (i.e. Shift-Alt-drag)

:-)

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by martinaglv »

js2 wrote: post #64

FWIW, if he wants to back up his mail before deleting it, the supported way to do it would be to select the mailbox in Mail.app itself and select Export Mailbox… By hiding the Library folder, Apple isn't trying to be hostile: most users never need to access anything in this folder. Users who are advanced enough to be grubbing around inside the Library should also be advanced enough to know that you can easily get to…

Funny that this is the same argument people use to hate Unity.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by [deleted] »

Lewisham wrote: post #334
vacri wrote: post #297

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The problem here is that you think 'corrupted registry keys' means that the computer is unusable. A corrupted registry key just means that a setting hasn't been saved right - it could be as trivial as whether an app starts fullscreen or windowed. The GP's statement did not say that the system was faulty, just that he was experiencing errors and he reinstalled. On enquiry, they weren't system errors, but errors around…

You'll also notice I never said I reinstalled because of the error I was having (I eventually found a FixIt to do it), but the reinstalls were for other things. The corrupted registry is just indicative of a problem which really should not happen. a) If a corrupted registry key is stopping something happening, then why doesn't it take any action to try and resolve it? b) If an error code has a documented fix online,…

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by [deleted] »

philwelch wrote: post #324
vacri wrote: post #297

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The problem here is that you think 'corrupted registry keys' means that the computer is unusable. A corrupted registry key just means that a setting hasn't been saved right - it could be as trivial as whether an app starts fullscreen or windowed. The GP's statement did not say that the system was faulty, just that he was experiencing errors and he reinstalled. On enquiry, they weren't system errors, but errors around…

> The problem here is that you think 'corrupted registry keys' means that the computer is unusable. Well, this guy's computer threw errors when he tried to install an app. "Unusable", no, just shitty. I would call that broken, but as you demonstrate, Windows apologists have always had lower standards. > We're in 2011, no-one should have to know what 'engine oil change' means either, but someone still has to know how…

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by vacri »

ugh wrote: post #307
vacri wrote: post #269

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What proportion of OSX users use 30" displays? Hell, what proportion of them use desktop-variety computers?

1440x900 screen, absolutely can’t stand maximized windows – hate them, actually.

It's still not an argument to optimise OSX for the use case of 30" monitors though.
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