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Post by joshsyn »

smeagull wrote: post #62
mellosouls wrote: post #18

Note these are bail conditions (so presumably an alternative to a much more constrained existence in prison) for a charge that indicates potential for inflicting severe economic damage after organization via communication devices. When compared to bail conditions for other charged crimes which may also be strict and context-related (eg. trackers or keeping distance from a victim of violence) it sounds tough (and righ…

When will they arrest the heads of oil companies for inflicting severe economic damage?

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Post by p1necone »

pnw wrote: post #64
Fargoan wrote: post #41

I love Australia but their government is shit

Always has been. Look at their censorship regime for a start.

You've posted this three times on this thread now without elaborating. What "censorship regime" are you talking about?

I know that age ratings around video games are a little silly there (until 2012 there was no R18 rating for video games but there was for Movies/TV, so certain titles couldn't be sold there without modifications).

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Post by ioseph »

calsy wrote: post #93
pnw wrote: post #60

Australia has always been somewhat of a prison colony with extensive censorship of media and the Internet and almost no constitutional rights as Americans understand them.

What extensive censorship of media? Australian's have plenty of 'constitutional rights', the right to vote, the right to property, the right to trial by jury, freedom of religion.

Lot's of videogames have had to be modified to be released here, in recent memory Hotline Miami 2, Stick of Truth, Fallout 3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_...

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Post by calsy »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #120
calsy wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes those anti-mask nut jobs complaining about how spare rags fashioned into a mask don't stop the spread of covid. Wow thats crazy talk!

It's more the fact that they're protesting mask mandates that were lifted months ago, lockdowns that haven't happened for almost a year, and QR code checkins that are no longer present. They are not advocating for N95 face masks out of concern that the cloth ones are ineffective.

Where are these people protesting non-existent mandates? Thats like protesting against wearing a fake moustache when there is no mandate to.

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Post by BigJono »

inkyoto wrote: post #88
joshka wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the NSW government that passed the shitty authoritarian laws that caused this. Any guess which party runs that state?

You don't remember the late Stephen Conroy of the Labour Party who is responsible for single-handedly imposing sweeping Internet censorship laws onto the Australian public and mandatory ISP level filtering with the public not having the right to know what has been blacklisted? From the horse's mouth – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Austral... : > In May 2008, the government commenced an $82 mill…

Both major parties have a terrible track record on surveillance and censorship, but one is still much worse than the other.

I'd rather have Labor push some bullshit legislation then shelve it when it's unpopular than the Liberals who just ram it through because God told them to.

Btw those "90% of Australian Internet users being censored" was a couple of major ISPs putting in a DNS block that can be worked around in 5 seconds. These days it's probably more like 20% because most people are on one of the newer ISPs like Aussie Broadband that don't truck with that nonsense.

The whole thing ended up being a classic "let the industry regulate itself so we can save face" maneuver in the end, virtually identical to just binning the policy entirely but with much less political blowback.

Passing the AA bill in 2018 was a much bigger failure from Labor (btw I'm happy to see our "protection over Christmas from ISIS then we'll revisit it" has lasted going on 4 years now, couldn't have fucking seen that coming). But again, it was literally a Liberal party bill, so I don't see how they don't take the lion's share of the blame for it.

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Post by PastaArt »

enasterosophes wrote: post #107
calsy wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What extensive censorship of media? Australian's have plenty of 'constitutional rights', the right to vote, the right to property, the right to trial by jury, freedom of religion.

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Post by Taniwha »

drc500free wrote: post #114
p1necone wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but when people talk about the USAs suing culture they are primarily talking about personal injury suits and ambulance chasers aren't they?

Which largely exist because American health costs for an injury are life destroying, so few people can just eat the hospital bill.

ACC in NZ effectively did away with personal injury lawsuits, before that some people would not drive friends in their car in case they had an accident and ruin a friendship

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Post by justatdotin »

XorNot wrote: post #42
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #34

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The conditions of his arrest sound ridiculous in the first place. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/24/i-neve... https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qdc/2020/331 He was charged for "interfering with a railway" because of a tripod suspended over a rail line? It sounds like he was basically pissed off some powerful coal people, got thrown in jail for that, and now his phone is police propert…

This is all the long tail of the corrupt-as-hell Scott Morrison government which was just evicted pretty soundly (after too bloody long though, and somehow Dutton is still in). NSW in particular once ICAC took a look had Gladys Berejiklian suddenly resign (as all these state level criminals do the second they get called before it), and the notable events surrounding why the Australian Federal Police Fixated Persons U…

similar new draconian anti-protest laws were introduced by the victorian state labor government and applied against citizen-science forest action. - this cannot be pinned on sQumo or the libs.

this is not about the bad man who used to be in charge.

the mistreatment of civic minded protestors in ausfailure is an enactment of bipartisan determination to squeeze more wealth out of the planet as long as they can.

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Post by justatdotin »

joshka wrote: post #47
Fargoan wrote: post #41

I love Australia but their government is shit

It's the NSW government that passed the shitty authoritarian laws that caused this. Any guess which party runs that state?

as I describe elsewhere, similar laws have recently passed in other states, spanning both major parties.

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Post by femto »

motohagiography wrote: post #109
joshuaissac wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given the cynical application of laws and their moderating charter exceptions in places like Australia and Canada over the last few years, I could forsee a new republican movement emerging in commonwealth countries How exactly would that lead to increased republican sentiments? It is not as if the queen is making these elected governments act in this way.

The Queen's representative, the Governor General is the head of a government that is not mitigated by explicit inaliable freedoms that act as a check on it, or divide its powers in a way to prevent it being converted to a classic tyranny. It would require a whole new constitution to remove the powers that these governments have evolved to abuse. Hence it seems predictable that a popular movement toward new constituti…

If anything such overreach will lead to a loss of support for republicanism.

As it is I think Australians generally see the Queen (and Governor General to a lesser extent) as being outside politics. There is a deep cynicism in the electorate that it will be possible to select a head of state in a manner that will not be politicised, leading to a loss of independence of the head of state.

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