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DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Is DALL-E deterministic, like if I type the same phrase it will always generate the same images?

I’m general, most Deep Learning processes these days are non-deterministic because 1) they only care about statistical correctness 2) there are some speed advantages in ignoring the existence of race condition bugs if you don’t care about being deterministic

Ah! That makes sense. Thank you for the info.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

I completely agree with you. If we’re just going to allow “AI” to eat into all human data and remix it in a way that only the 20 people involved in programming it make money (instead of the 2 million who were used as sources for the human data) then that is just the biggest stealth theft of wealth in recent human history.

It’s the equivalent of the technological enslavement of most humans who will be told that their inputs used in the AÍ “have no value” while the AÍ aggregates it all.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

I agree that we should at least be concerned, I think the best argument against this stuff is that we should be building a world where AI replaces dangerous, repetitive, tedious work. Using it to take away the economic value of work humans ENJOY doing is dangerous. I think detractors that are eager to dismiss it as not as good as humans are wrong though and it's shockingly close to going far beyond what humans can do artistically. It won't be long before these systems can not only dream up an image from language, but make that image an animated 3d scene with dynamic lighting and animation and behaviors. If this technology keeps progressing media and artistic creation are going to be changed completely.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

You can not regulate away tech advancements. Your competitors (researchers, companies, or countries - depending on granularity) certainly won't.

Unless it kills the souls of their people.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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> The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. "Widely used" seems to negate your point here, no? I would expect a machine to use widely used techniques, rather than ones specific to individual artists. I don't know about you, but I've never seen DALL-E replicate an art style that isn't popular enough to be common knowledge. > Some of them are…

It's purely luddite reasoning. The real objection is that it makes artists less valuable. Which is unfortunate, because they already arent that valuable (save for the top ~1%). But it's not a good reason to oppose DALL-E.

The real objection is that it makes artists less valuable.

Close but not exactly. How do they feel about it?

At some point if we all feel bad, well this is very bad.

Maybe we should ban DALL-E for the same reasons we ban hard drugs: for the health of the community.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's purely luddite reasoning. The real objection is that it makes artists less valuable. Which is unfortunate, because they already arent that valuable (save for the top ~1%). But it's not a good reason to oppose DALL-E.

The real objection is that it makes artists less valuable. Close but not exactly. How do they feel about it? At some point if we all feel bad, well this is very bad. Maybe we should ban DALL-E for the same reasons we ban hard drugs: for the health of the community.

How do the weavers, whalers, candlestick makers, lamp lighters, and everyone else made redundant in the last few centuries feel? Why do artists find themselves special? The only reason they have avoided automation this long is because we haven't made machines that can think with any sense of creativity until now.

Many of us will become redundant thanks to automation in the next few decades. That's just how it is.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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You don’t see a downside to there being fewer artists creating art? Art benefits humanity not only because we consume it, but also because we produce it. Making art is part of what makes us human.

I’ve used Midjourney for months now. Artists love it. It will lead to fewer people creating art the same way the cars led to less people traveling. It’s like having a pre-concept artist for for concept artist. Instant style boards to run by your client.

Comparing artistic production to driving is a poor metaphor.

No doubt that AI-driven tools can be leveraged by artists to create interesting things, in the same way that visual artists have used tools like Photoshop.

But there is something much more profound happening with DALL-E, etc. As I mentioned above, these AI systems simultaneously depend on human artists to populate its training corpus, while making it much less likely that these artists will be able to make a living producing art.

Even if other artists working higher-up in the value chain benefit from these systems, you are likely to see fewer professional illustrators and visual artists because these systems exists.

Something will be lost. We can hope that what we gain in return will be of equal value.

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