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DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by legutierr »

kuboble wrote: post #19
quadcore wrote: post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

For what is worth, dall-e is great for exploring but it's nowhere near to being able to deliver a particular image you might have in your mind. I wanted a very particular, well defined scene: - A pig and a donkey play poker at the poker table. - The pig is using a computer while playing and we can see the screen of the pig. - The pig must look like a pig - The donkey must look like a donkey - The cards and chips must…

These AI created images may not be a replacement for bespoke illustration or photography, but if the choice is between stock images and DALL-E, many people would prefer a DALL-E image that fits closer to what they want than what they may find by searching a stock image website.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by jstanley »

legutierr wrote: post #20
jstanley wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All that will happen is humans start operating another abstraction layer up -- same thing as happened every previous time the machines have "taken our jobs". It's a good thing .

Consider, however, that the output of these systems may not be copyrightable. So, when you move human involvement up to a higher layer of abstraction, it’s possible that the economics of the whole effort will be fundamentally transformed. Meaning, if these systems displace human artists, copyright itself may cease to be a motivator of economic activity—removing a significant incentive for the production of new art. A…

Sorry, I'm not seeing the downsides. That all sounds like a big improvement.

And regarding point 2: do you think human artists are as good as they are without already having seen lots of great artworks produced by others? Human artists don't create art from an empty vacuum of nothingness either.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by jfoster »

kuboble wrote: post #19
quadcore wrote: post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

For what is worth, dall-e is great for exploring but it's nowhere near to being able to deliver a particular image you might have in your mind. I wanted a very particular, well defined scene: - A pig and a donkey play poker at the poker table. - The pig is using a computer while playing and we can see the screen of the pig. - The pig must look like a pig - The donkey must look like a donkey - The cards and chips must…

Have you tried creating it in multiple steps, using the "Edit" button? You can erase the parts of the image you want to change, and you can even change the prompt at each step.

If the pig or donkey doesn't look right, you could erase just that part of the image using the same prompt to get a different look.

For example, to create the image you want, I would:

1. Start with the basic prompt: "a pig and donkey playing poker"

2. Generate random variations of my favourite image from that to see how far I can get from that.

3. Edit as necessary with the same prompt to get the right look for the pig/donkey.

4. Erase a section of the image next to the pig and use a prompt like "pig using a laptop" to get DALL-E to generate a laptop in that position.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by lima »

kuboble wrote: post #19
quadcore wrote: post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

For what is worth, dall-e is great for exploring but it's nowhere near to being able to deliver a particular image you might have in your mind. I wanted a very particular, well defined scene: - A pig and a donkey play poker at the poker table. - The pig is using a computer while playing and we can see the screen of the pig. - The pig must look like a pig - The donkey must look like a donkey - The cards and chips must…

It has a hard time with the computer, but without, the results are almost usable:

https://imgur.com/a/lVqmnz3

Chances are that someone with prompt engineering experience could get it to produce the desired output with some more poking and prodding.

It'll certainly raise the lower-end bar for custom illustrations/stock footage.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by nonethewiser »

quadcore wrote: post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

Illustrators also use techniques and color schemes that are widely used in the entertainment industry. It's not intellectual property and it's already happening.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by nonethewiser »

kuboble wrote: post #19
quadcore wrote: post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

For what is worth, dall-e is great for exploring but it's nowhere near to being able to deliver a particular image you might have in your mind. I wanted a very particular, well defined scene: - A pig and a donkey play poker at the poker table. - The pig is using a computer while playing and we can see the screen of the pig. - The pig must look like a pig - The donkey must look like a donkey - The cards and chips must…

I see what you're getting at, yet the result is still amazing.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by nonethewiser »

bastawhiz wrote: post #17
quadcore wrote: post #8

I dont know how artists feel about DALL-E but as an amateur I feel bad. "This should be forbidden" bad. I guess the root of this feeling is the same as the one Copilot gives OSS programmers, it feels like theft and copyright enfringement. The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. Some of them are even above the average quality and that's sc…

> The pictures in this case uses techniques and colors scheme widely used by illustrator in the entertainment industries. "Widely used" seems to negate your point here, no? I would expect a machine to use widely used techniques, rather than ones specific to individual artists. I don't know about you, but I've never seen DALL-E replicate an art style that isn't popular enough to be common knowledge. > Some of them are…

It's purely luddite reasoning. The real objection is that it makes artists less valuable.

Which is unfortunate, because they already arent that valuable (save for the top ~1%). But it's not a good reason to oppose DALL-E.

Re: DALL-E Chess in Jungle and Dunes

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Post by kuboble »

jfoster wrote: post #23
kuboble wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what is worth, dall-e is great for exploring but it's nowhere near to being able to deliver a particular image you might have in your mind. I wanted a very particular, well defined scene: - A pig and a donkey play poker at the poker table. - The pig is using a computer while playing and we can see the screen of the pig. - The pig must look like a pig - The donkey must look like a donkey - The cards and chips must…

Have you tried creating it in multiple steps, using the "Edit" button? You can erase the parts of the image you want to change, and you can even change the prompt at each step. If the pig or donkey doesn't look right, you could erase just that part of the image using the same prompt to get a different look. For example, to create the image you want, I would: 1. Start with the basic prompt: "a pig and donkey playing p…

Yes, I have tried a lot, and still haven't gotten close to the desired end-effect.

I maybe want to shift my claim. I am not sure that it's impossible to create this particular image but that it's almost certainly cheaper to hire someone to draw the exact image I have in mind.

I think there is also a new proffesion comming: a DALL-E prompter job.

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