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have you considered finding a new restaurant and trying it without coworkers
Have you considered that not everyone finds their coworkers insufferable, actually finds the camaraderie enjoyable, and do make friends at the office?
> My mind goes first to the young. People starting out need offices to learn a profession, to make friends, meet colleagues This is what I think remote work advocates miss -- pure remote makes work 100% work, 0% percent anything else. This is probably fine if you work at a horrible finance firm where this was the case anyway, but for people in creative/tech professions where fun stuff / offsites / happy hours were th…
Meeting in person may be difficult, but if the money is still there, someone isn’t thinking of how to use it creatively.
If it isn’t still there, the company is cutting costs by defunding morale. And hoping nobody noticed because “you can’t meet in person anyway.”
I work for money. Money. Money. Not to make friends, not to build culture. Considering how offended everyone is now, work isn't the place to socialize.
Remote work is a safeguard. There is a record of every Slack interaction, and with minimal equipment, you can keep your own record of every video chat conversation, too.
If someone chooses to take offense at something you've said, then seek vengeance by way of the HR department, you can go back to the record to exonerate yourself.
“People starting out need offices to learn a profession, to make friends, meet colleagues, find romantic partners and mates.” Pretty sure that said people would respond with “ok boomer.” All evidence I have seen is that the youth are more prepared than ever to navigate these matters with or without lots of close proximity. Culture changes before our eyes. Change isn’t always bad, even when we struggle to keep up with…
> All evidence I have seen is that the youth are more prepared than ever to navigate these matters with or without lots of close proximity. Can’t say I agree with this. I’ve seen too many cases that lead me to believe we are closer to a society-scale neurosis given the scared shitless attitudes displayed by the younger generation over the past 2 years. Less and less people can navigate their way out of bed with a cle…
It isn’t just the younger generation that’s afraid, or upset, paralyzed with anger, fear, sadness, etc.
Shit’s on fire, yo.
But the youth is still talking about it together, whether they can leave the house, or the bed, or not.
> My mind goes first to the young. People starting out need offices to learn a profession, to make friends, meet colleagues This is what I think remote work advocates miss -- pure remote makes work 100% work, 0% percent anything else. This is probably fine if you work at a horrible finance firm where this was the case anyway, but for people in creative/tech professions where fun stuff / offsites / happy hours were th…
I work for money. Money. Money. Not to make friends, not to build culture. Considering how offended everyone is now, work isn't the place to socialize.
I too work for money. I could do a lot of the same things without a job. But some asshole won mega millions when it was my turn.
If office culture sucks, I want it to improve, because that’s where I make money. It means I can make money with less stress. Less stress, more productivity. More productivity, more recognition, more opportunities for money.
You can look at things as cold and calculating as you want. That’s fine. If I try to do that, it sounds like you aren’t being very efficient at how you make your money. Money. Money.
And missing out on other benefits that come from said efficiency. Like potentially socializing, or friends. Or culture.
> My mind goes first to the young. People starting out need offices to learn a profession, to make friends, meet colleagues This is what I think remote work advocates miss -- pure remote makes work 100% work, 0% percent anything else. This is probably fine if you work at a horrible finance firm where this was the case anyway, but for people in creative/tech professions where fun stuff / offsites / happy hours were th…
Oh no don't worry they weren't missed. Now I have to spend late Friday logged into Zoom while people awkwardly drink alcohol and talk about their dogs.
At a bar, you are “going to a bar.” “Going to happy hour.” Something along those lines. Drinking and talking about dogs at happy hour is still happy hour. A zoom meeting with no activity beyond drinking is just drinking on the job.
I work for money. Money. Money. Not to make friends, not to build culture. Considering how offended everyone is now, work isn't the place to socialize.
Nope. It’s bad for property owners and leasers. I don’t work to have fun, I work to have a paycheck. Don’t insult me by pretending the deal is anything more.
There's a reckoning coming forth in these back-to-the-office articles. Short of blowing up the internet, the market is going to do whatever it wants with or without the banks, and it doesn't matter how much avocado toast snark is put forth.
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I miss the simple things, like finding a new restaurant and trying it with coworkers. It sounds cliche, but I liked "getting out of the house" and having more of a work-life separation. I have kinda accepted that that era is gone and is not coming back. The last time I worked out of an office was March, 2020.
have you considered finding a new restaurant and trying it without coworkers