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Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by losvedir »

artursapek wrote: post #147
ugh wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They removed it for all apps that auto save. Save as doesn’t really make sense if an app auto saves and only serves to confuse. You now duplicate and then save.

When I saw the previews for Lion I thought autosave seemed like overkill. When I'm working on anything I "autosave" by reaching over slightly and hitting CMD-S every time I make any small amount of progress. The last time I experienced significant data/progress loss was probably about 3 years ago before I developed this habit. I don't see what problem they're trying to fix.

> When I'm working on anything I "autosave" by reaching over slightly and hitting CMD-S every time I make any small amount of progress . . . I don't see what problem they're trying to fix.

Um, that?

The concept of "save" was good for a time, but having everything autosave is absolutely forward progress.

My Macbook Air just kernel panicked about 20 minutes ago (which, admittedly, shouldn't happen). I had to hold down the power button, and then turn it back on. Less than one minute after the crash my laptop's state, opened programs, tabs, files, unsaved progress, was restored.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by philwelch »

super_mario wrote: post #79

I currently use OS X for all my work and for personal/home use. But I have to agree with the sentiment. I have had nothing but praise for Apple and OS X up until Lion release. But this year has been a major turning point. End of XServe, end of Apple java, talk of end of Mac Pro and the whole post PC world thing, turning OS X into fisher price phone OS. Honestly, at this point I have to re-think my future and make a p…

Judging from what Apple's done so far, if they really wanted to turn the Mac into an iPad, they would just quit selling Macs and try selling more iPads.

Does it actually affect you that Apple isn't selling XServe anymore? It made some sense when Macs had PPC chips and PPC had a performance advantage, but nowadays I can't think of a good use for a rack-mounted Mac. Likewise, I'm going to miss the Mac Pro too, but have you gone to spec one out? It used to be you actually needed a Power Mac to run Photoshop fast enough, or to compile. Now they're just overpowered and overpriced, and Thunderbolt obviates the need for slots.

Yes, Apple is consciously conceding the server and raw CPU markets, probably to Linux. I myself would choose Linux over Mac for those applications, too. But when I want to SSH into that server, or Skype with my girlfriend when I'm away from home, or write some code, it turns out my MacBook works just fine for that.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by binbasti »

saint-loup wrote: post #174

I'm quite happy with Mac OS X, but there's one thing that really annoys me: keyboard shortcuts. There's (almost) always one for what I want to do, but it's often to complicated for the frequency of the task. For instance, checking emails in mail.app is shift+command+N. Or changing the presentation mode in iTunes or Preview is alt+command+[3-6]. Because of my Azerty keyboard, it's actually shift+alt+command+[3-6]. Isn…

Actually OS X is pretty consistent with keyboard shortcuts compared to other OSes. It's even one of my favorite things about it.

That said, the checking mails example is a bad one, and moreover it used to be the usual cmd-shift-R and they only introduced the odd new one in Lion.

Edit: sorry, misread your comment. But mine is still valid. Because of the many keyboard shortcuts for the OS UI, it's only natural that you need more modifier keys in the apps sometimes.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by hollerith »

jodrellblank wrote: post #84
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

When I click the Maximize button on OSX, it doesn't actually maximize the window 99% of the time, it just picks a seemingly random size. I saw an app a while ago that would let you control how your OSX apps are resized when you maximize them, but if I have to buy an app just to make my OS do what it should do anyway, there's something wrong. If you're going to judge it based on your existing preconceptions, of course…

>Then came the rise of the laptop and it does hold again. So Lion gained fullscreen.

So your argument is that Lion's fullscreen is a response to these newfangled laptop things?

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by overgard »

tptacek wrote: post #14
overgard wrote: post #5

I'm somewhat of a new mac user, so I can't speak historically, but I will say that lion was quite a downgrade. It broke things that were previously working fine (my network drivers and my dev tools), removed useful features (rosetta), and really didn't add anything new that I care about. I never use the app store; I dislike mission control; really the only thing I actually like is the better window resizing.

What network drivers did Lion break? Are you plugging custom network hardware into your Mac? Why? We're a pretty dev-tools-intensive shop here and while the transition to XCode4 has been hiccupy, I don't think Lion has broken anything for us.

As someone else mentioned, it constantly drops the builtin wifi now. I think what makes it somewhat funny is that this is the kind of thing that I'd expect and live with on windows or linux, but on mac with the whole hardware-software integration thing I would expect better. Plus, since they've basically taken driver management out of my hands, there doesn't seem to be much I can do to fix it myself. It's minor, but irritating.

The dev tools thing is that they seemed to have moved the libraries and sdk's around, or outright removed them (I'm not sure). I'm mostly doing python development, and I used to just be able to run "pip install SomePackage" and it would just work. Now I find that almost everything fails to compile, and most of the recommended fixes (installing the official interpreter and older or newer versions of xcode for gcc) haven't really done anything to alleviate the problem. I /could/ go and really track down the exact issues, of course, but that sort of thing is time intensive so I find now that I just reboot into windows when some random package won't work for me.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by philwelch »

MostAwesomeDude wrote: post #108
whiskers wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"breathtakingly expensive hardware and software" Where can you get something considerably cheaper than the Macbook Airs that sport: - 128GB SSD (13") - 1440x900 (13") display - 4GB of RAM - Core i5 - operating system included - thin, light, and have quality construction For £1099 including taxes?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230... is such a thing, and at $1099 USD, it's nearly half of your quoted price. Unfortunately, it has a widescreen which has more pixels than you asked for, but somehow I don't think that's a bad thing. It comes with Windows, but if you want a real operating system , you can install any Linux you like on there. Or a BSD. Go for it. Also, I was going to just an…

> Macbooks don't have quality construction; that's why their hinges keep falling apart after a year or two of actual use. It's been a problem since the Powerbook days.

Uh, what? I've had two MacBooks that have seen continuous use since 2006 and 2008, respectively, and this never happened to me. In fact, the aluminum MacBook (not even unibody) is in pretty fantastic shape, which is quite unlike every single non-Apple product I have ever owned and used for such a long period of time.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by SeoxyS »

HSO wrote: post #58
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

> > In the default Terminal app, there are no shortcuts (at least none that I could figure out) for moving around the text I'm typing quickly, like going forward and back a whole word, or going Home or End, you have to hold down the left or right arrows for a while. > The keyboard tab in Terminal's preferences? Or switch from Emacs-like to Vim-like navigation in the terminal?

Here's some Terminal editing text:

- `alt-left / right` skips a word in either direction (these work in the entire cocoa text system)

- `esc backspace` deletes an entire word

- `ctrl-a and ctrl-e` skip to the beginning and end of the line respectively (again, entire cocoa text system)

- `ctrl-k` deletes any character from the cursor to the end of line (ditto)

Also, learning how to use these bash tricks will make your life a lot easier too:

- `!!` will repeat the previous command, and you can prefix it. Say you forgot to `sudo` something, just type `sudo !!` to repeat it.

- `!whatever` will repeat the last command in the history starting with `whatever`.

- `!$` will evaluate to the argument of the previous command. so `ls Desktop` followed by `echo !$` will echo "Desktop."

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Post by flomo »

jasonkester wrote: post #133
ugh wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s no less obscure than other operating systems in this regard. I can’t see the difference.

Are you sure? On a windows box, there's a key with "End" written on it. Much more guessable than fn+right arrow.

Funny, on older Macs it was written on the key. It's so ingrained now that I hadn't really noticed they'd taken it off.

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by st3fan »

HSO wrote: post #58
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

> They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it.

But when you do press ALT .. magic! The window resizes on both sides! Awesome feature :-)

Re: Tim O'Reilly: I am really starting to hate Mac OS X.

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Post by kree10 »

HSO wrote: post #58
megamark16 wrote: post #39

I came from a windows background, tinkered with Linux for a few years on and off, and when I started my current job I was given a Macbook Pro. After a few months of using it I as so frustrated, and found myself spending more and more time in my Ubuntu virtual machine, that when they were ordering new MBPs for the design team I offered to give mine up to a designer and buy a ThinkPad, thus saving the company over $1,0…

Suum cuique but some of your concerns really aren't: > In OSX you can only resize a window in the bottom right corner, in Ubuntu I can resize from any corner, or I can hold Alt and middle click anywhere near a corner of a window to start resizing it. No more hunting for the resize sweetspot. They changed that in Lion to every corner, every side. And you don't have to press ALT to do it. > When I click the Maximize bu…

DarwinPorts/MacPorts, Fink, and Homebrew all require the OS X developer tools, so "you have to download a DVD just to be able to compile stuff from source" still applies.
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