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TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by Kye »

phreack wrote: post #320
captainmuon wrote: post #77

Modern social media leaves a very big gap - that was filled by old Facebook, or to some extent MySpace: The "people directory" where basically everybody has a page, and you can see what friends are doing, or look up acquaintances and strangers. For me, social media feeds were never addicting, but more tedious. I found visiting friends pages and sometimes finding an update, sometimes not, like a slot machine, more add…

Have you looked at Tumblr lately? It always sounds just like what people say they miss nowadays from social media. Its feed is chronological by default (for now), and it does allow you to customize your own page in a lot of ways. I feel it's inevitable that it'll become a soulless ad space like all others eventually, but it's not there yet. They're trying to monetize it with different approaches at the time like bein…

Tumblr puts an ad for the Tumblr app on your pages even if you put it under a domain. I don't mind plugging the platform I use, like the customized Posthaven plug on my blog, but I don't want an app install nag.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by pqwEfkvjs »

cardamomo wrote: post #43
askafriend wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why default to blaming the students/employees? The educational system and employers have a responsibility to be engaging and enriching if they want interest and passion back from their students/employees. I'm not saying there's no problem with overconsumption of cheap media. But I think we're too quick to jump to blaming individuals. We can just as much flip the question around and ask what educators and employers ar…

David Graeber's "Bullshit Jobs" comes to mind as a well written critique of the kinds of jobs you seem to be describing. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/david-graeber-bullsh...

Thanks for sharing this. I just spent last 10 hours reading it, but I need to stop to get some sleep now.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by yamazakiwi »

popcorncowboy wrote: post #276
dentemple wrote: post #232

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As a late 30s individual, there's still plenty of niche communities to be pushed into once the algorithm figures out what people like us actually like. I haven't seen a single "20-something nobodies dancing" video since the day I downloaded the app. All I get on my feed is DnD stories, interesting math, physics, and history facts, and the occasional standup comedy routine. Exactly the sort of things that keep me, spe…

> Do a search for your actual interests, quickly swipe past the random things that pop up that you don't like, and soon, after a few days of this, you'll begin to see what tik tok's actually about. Or, like.. don't. I mean, great that you're having a blast, but this is a literal endorsement to "design your own skinner box". It's small comfort to be able to choose the colours of the bars on your windows.

I've had multiple conversations about the enjoyment of cultivating your algorithm on tiktok.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by BitwiseFool »

nemo44x wrote: post #358
tgv wrote: post #345

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Still, young people actually listen to 60s, 70s and 80s pop music.

I was careful in my wording to say the previous generation. It’s almost always uncool. For instance, 80’s music went out of style almost immediately when Nirvana came about. Then 10 or so years later some 80’s music was enjoyed ironically and now today the beat of it is preserved as “classic”. It’s OK for anyone to enjoy but it isn’t influential any longer.

I would add the distinction that the "classic" stuff can be cool, but with a caveat that they aren't enjoying it at the same time as the old-timers in the same venue. Retro 80's party with a bunch of twenty-somethings? Cool. Retro 80's party with a bunch of 50 year olds? Well, the young-in's wouldn't find that fun.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by BitwiseFool »

klodolph wrote: post #61
wizofaus wrote: post #54

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Doesn't mean it's not true. There's an argument that given the world's population today we should be churning out geniuses (of the caliber of Newton or Einstein or Beethoven etc,.) all the time now, but the fact we're not suggests there's something about the social environment we grow up in that strongly discourages the level of sustained commitment to a particular specialty neccessary for genius to develop. Having s…

> Doesn't mean it's not true. It means we should be asking for more than anecdotes. > There's an argument that given the world's population today we should be churning out geniuses (of the caliber of Newton or Einstein or Beethoven etc,.) all the time now, but the fact we're not […] We definitely are churning out geniuses of this caliber. The bar for being a famous genius is higher.

>"It means we should be asking for more than anecdotes."

Does reason not suffice for the purposes of this online discussion? What is so hard to believe about the assertion?

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by imgabe »

BeFlatXIII wrote: post #402
imgabe wrote: post #212

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This just reeks of entitlement. “Entertain me and engage me! Let no moment of my life ever be touched by confusion or struggle! Spoon feed me everything I can ever want or need!” Ultimately, it’s not the school’s problem if you don’t learn, it’s yours. You’re the one who’s going to have to go through life not understanding math and whatnot. So if you care to have any agency and control over your own life you better f…

> As for jobs, they’re hiring you to do work, not to be entertained. Don’t like it? Move along to something else then. Now all the employees have moved on and we have a labor shortage. Now what?

Then we as a society just live without that job being done.

If it’s really important, the people who want the job done will do it themselves or increase the pay enough for someone to want to do it.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by ethbr0 »

klabb3 wrote: post #383
labrador wrote: post #367

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I've posited before on HN that Facebook is dying based on my observations as a long time user. A lot of people said I was wrong and it's strength is in it groups and marketplaces. I wouldn't know because I don't get a lot of satisfaction from groups and I don't use the marketplace, but people say that they serve as a small town gathering place in a lot of locations, sort like Craigslist was for awhile. I don't see ho…

> I don't see how introducing flashy short videos that produce a dopamine hit in the easily amused is going to grow Facebook I can easily see this pivot lead to a short term growth, but I don't get why this metric is so blindly trusted, when it's clearly more complex. (If there is one thing I really appreciate about engineers, is that most of us understand trade-offs, and our null-hypothesis is that almost everything…

Facebook needs to stop being afraid to launch new products.

They should have launched a TikTok clone as an independent brand.

Instead, they're falling into the Microsoft trap of "Everything has to be shoehorned into our existing userbase and products."

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by fendy3002 »

timeimp wrote: post #19

I've heard (anecdotally) that the attention span of all the younger users has taken a dramatic shift south. Educators and employers are noticing they cannot keep students / new employees engaged. Makes me wonder what damage is happening, long-term, with all these short bursts of dopamine that TikTok gives it users.

Just accept that the world is moving as/to a much faster iterations. Nowadays most companies are trying to be as efficient as they can (JIT model, etc), leaving less room to relax (Amazon of course).

In software sector, current ci/cd makes deployment and releases very fast and more often, as opposed to monthly/quarterly patches in the past. Newer technologies makes development faster and more efficient.

There are more contents being published than humanity can consume at a time. Messages are instant and distance is almost meaningless in face of internet. At the same time media providers are researching the best way to increase engagement.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by imgabe »

askafriend wrote: post #388
imgabe wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just reeks of entitlement. “Entertain me and engage me! Let no moment of my life ever be touched by confusion or struggle! Spoon feed me everything I can ever want or need!” Ultimately, it’s not the school’s problem if you don’t learn, it’s yours. You’re the one who’s going to have to go through life not understanding math and whatnot. So if you care to have any agency and control over your own life you better f…

Don't worry about me. I work very hard, made it through difficult programs at top schools, made (and continue to make) significant contributions at leading companies and my compensation is probably top 0.01% in the world. I'm familiar with hard work and struggle, having come from nothing. In fact the only thing that was handed to me was values around education and how important it is - I still believe in that deeply.…

> create a place where people want to work and work hard towards goals they see as meaningful. If people don't see personal growth and a path to bettering their life or others' through work - what is the purpose of sacrifice and hard work?

Working towards goals that are meaningful doesn't mean that you will be entertained and engaged with fun things to do all the time. Often quite the opposite. Personal growth and bettering your life also entails doing things that may not be very engaging.

If you focus on attracting people who want to be engaged and spoon fed and will refuse to do any work that they don't find immediately rewarding, sure, I'll be happy to compete with you.

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