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TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by sfe22 »

fragmede wrote: post #337
Noe2097 wrote: post #248

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Probably the money that FB "generates" is literally insane, and doesn't make sense for a single company to generate. Possibly a mastodon based solution where users pay a small recurring fee for server management and some R&D and offering privacy, could generate enough benefits for a company (or companies) to strive. FB (among others) made us forget the sense of scale and the value of things, including the value of pr…

At one point it was estimated that Facebook gets $40/month in advertising per US user - how do you then reconcile that with you only being willing to pay $1-5?

But that doesn’t mean an equivalent service cannot survive on just a dollar a month.

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Post by Apocryphon »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #194
skummetmaelk wrote: post #118

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> And this narrative that big companies are sucking up data and ruining society was pushed by "old" media in a struggle to remain relevant A quick dismissal of the fact that this data collection was and is happening and has already had massive effects on society. Just because it is in the interest of "old" media to point this out doesn't mean they're wrong.

“Old media” suffered far more from the competition by Craigslist and eBay, which drove away almost all their income in classifieds, which made up around a third to half of all income at average newspapers. And yet… there just wasn’t any criticism of those companies at any scale comparable to what Facebook gets. That’s evidende against this theory that journalists are somehow working for the commercial interest of pub…

That’s an excellent point. For all of the scams and abuses that could emerge from Craigslist, there was never a concerted media effort to label the platform as dangerous or untrustworthy.

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Post by harpersealtako »

mrkramer wrote: post #175
fallingknife wrote: post #160

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When you share your data on Linkedin you get part of the financial value of that data collection. This is different than any other social media platform.

You get fast, powerful and easy to use communication tools for free when you use Facebook and its family of apps. Why do you think Whatsapp is so popular now and not SMS anymore?

>Why do you think Whatsapp is so popular now and not SMS anymore?

Is this actually the case? I've heard Whatsapp is popular outside the states (something about differences in phone plans, in the US unlimited SMS texting is basically universal) but it's definitely still in the minority here. Anecdotally I feel like each friend group here has a different, idiosyncratic method of text communication in the US. Some people communicate through SMS, others through instagram/snapchat, others through discord, or whatsapp, or facebook messenger, etc. There are some interesting trends in the distribution along age and gender lines too.

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Post by ishjoh »

ironlake wrote: post #255
_fat_santa wrote: post #231

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The problem I see is that kind of stuff is just not profitable anymore. IMO it shouldn't be a company like FB running a people directory, it should be something mastodon. The utopian future I would like for social media is if we had a protocol for a people directory social network. It would function in much the same way as facebook pages or your myspace page. Most users will just sign up for a service, technical user…

>fediverse needs to go mainstream. Mastodon has been around for more than five years, and the idea of decentralized social networks long before that. Email, from a user standpoint, was much like Mastodon: a protocol that you consumed with software of your choice. But it was never a great experience for the average user, then gmail made it a great experience. People switched very quickly. The experience has to be firs…

I remember switching to gmail only because they offered 1Gb of storage, which at the time other email hosts were only offering for paid subscribers. In my circle this was the biggest reason to switch, not because the UX was much better than any other providers.

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Post by tgv »

nemo44x wrote: post #257

Social media and Websites in general are like TV shows or recording artists - they exist within an era and eventually become legacy/classic and irrelevant to the new youth culture. No one wants to engage with the same cultural artifacts of their parents or the previous generation. They want to establish themselves as a distinct cultural era and need symbols, etc that are distinct.

Still, young people actually listen to 60s, 70s and 80s pop music.

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Post by zjaffee »

mrtksn wrote: post #55
thematrixturtle wrote: post #35

> Facebook, it seems, is moving away from its traditional focus on text and images, spread among people who know one another, to instead adopt TikTok’s emphasis on pure distraction. This shift is not surprising given TikTok’s phenomenal popularity, but it’s also shortsighted: platforms like Facebook could be doomed if they fail to maintain the social graphs upon which they built their kingdoms. This. I on occasion vi…

In my experience, FB and others moved away from being about your friends to become content sharing machines long time ago. It’s like reddit but without sub separation + influencer glamour. Tiktok on the other hand came from purely creative angle. It’s not about your friends, it’s about using creative tools to express something. That’s why TikTok dominated the original new content market. TikTok’s editing tools are ph…

I have to disagree with that, snapchat was just as innovative if not more so in the early days of tiktok and musically in the space around camera filters and editing.

There are two big things that make tiktok unique. The for you page, and shared sounds that are able to go very viral rapidly. No other platform has been able to circulate viral videos as quickly as tiktok has proven to be able to, and the for you page, rather than encouraging people to actually follow individual accounts, means that people are actually seeing the videos that keep them on the app the longest (and in turn off other apps), rather than having to curate their own feeds.

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Post by Pulcinella »

freecodyx wrote: post #346

Influencers culture has killed social media platforms, most ppl want to be influencers today to make easy money. Back in the days social media platforms were used to connect with friends and maybe strangers just for the sake of socializing. Not anymore

Even before “influencers” young people often wanted to be media or athletic stats of some sort, so that isn’t new.

The drive to increase “engagement” and ad reviews is killing it (which is related to influencers). YouTube is basically unwatchable without an way to block ads. Young people began to abandon Facebook when they opened it up to everyone and let boomers spam their family and friends with every political chain letter and video they come across.

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Post by kixiQu »

washyourdishes wrote: post #336
phreack wrote: post #320

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Have you looked at Tumblr lately? It always sounds just like what people say they miss nowadays from social media. Its feed is chronological by default (for now), and it does allow you to customize your own page in a lot of ways. I feel it's inevitable that it'll become a soulless ad space like all others eventually, but it's not there yet. They're trying to monetize it with different approaches at the time like bein…

Yeah I very much agree about tumblr. I’d plug mastodon as well. I think we basically do have social websites that work, are enjoyable and aren’t soulless. A big question is why are people complaining about one platform when they could be on another.

Social graph lock-in. :( I use Mastodon and love it, but all of my IRL [weak ties] are on FB and IG.

[weak ties]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpersonal_ties

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Post by yieldcrv »

skinnymuch wrote: post #256
yieldcrv wrote: post #246

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its assuming that you have one person’s contact info who is tangentially associated to the other people (number or username or email etc) or that they have yours. Then you get recommended all the same people and can also browse the same people’s friends. The recommendation and browsing is the same as Facebook’s early days, the same as now, and very different from instant messaging apps. None of these apps are intende…

That’s not how IG or TikTok work. Not as well as FB’s recommendation system years ago. For example I had to gather everyone together from an online community on both platforms even though everyone was linked on Facebook. People weren’t finding recommendations to connect with other community people themselves on those platforms. > None of these apps are intended to solve your loneliness crisis What do you mean? Are yo…

> None of these apps are intended to solve your loneliness crisis

> What do you mean? Are you okay?

There is a well documented loneliness epidemic. Thought you were referring to it inadvertently by fawning over an old form of technology.

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