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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by s1artibartfast »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #97
EntropyIsAHoax wrote: post #94

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> I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention > I [. . .] never ever made anybody feel uncomfortable for sure Really doubt both of these things are true. It's very obvious if someone has to intentionally avoid looking around a place naturally. The people around you will notice and they will know why, and that will make them uncomfortable. I really don't understand this impulse ei…

> As someone who has frequently hung out with friends of my age naked, and I consider many of them very attractive, I just do not get aroused in this situation > Are you [and certainly not me] so sexually repressed that any attractive person in the nude causes such an involuntary reaction? both of these things can't be true either :D A sauna is usally small with seats arranged around an oven. If an attractive woman w…

One of my favorite stories is seeing a pair of naked Men walking down the sidewalk in the Castro. They had matching prince Albert's, with shiny chains ganging off their penises. They would chastise people on the sidewalk for looking at them. I like to think they were doing it tongue in cheek, a kind of performance art.

In my experience, the gay male community has a pretty good culture of noticing bodies and then moving on.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by wawjgreen »

stephen_g wrote: post #99
wawjgreen wrote: post #54

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on a nudist beach or a nude sauna, i would have a permanent 3erktion--until it were to be resolved. as it is, the models on the ads along streets are already troublesome enough. isn't it my right to live in a world where semi-nude women are not shoved into my face wherever i look???

It’s surprising actually, with normal people, nudism/naturism is generally super non-sexy, especially compared to the kind of models you see partially clothed in ads. Firstly, because most people don’t look like models, but even when you see more attractive people, the context is very different and you get used to it pretty quickly and the weirdness and novelty wears off. Anyone going hoping for sexual satisfaction w…

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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by wawjgreen »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #91
wawjgreen wrote: post #54

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on a nudist beach or a nude sauna, i would have a permanent 3erktion--until it were to be resolved. as it is, the models on the ads along streets are already troublesome enough. isn't it my right to live in a world where semi-nude women are not shoved into my face wherever i look???

I would say no,you don't get that right. The inverse is also true, I don't think it is a right for nudists to expect entirely pure thoughts.

i dont know what kind of disfunctions niydists have but as a normal and healthy man, i can't NOT feel anything even in the presence of a naked flabby sea-lion of a woman.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #101
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who has frequently hung out with friends of my age naked, and I consider many of them very attractive, I just do not get aroused in this situation > Are you [and certainly not me] so sexually repressed that any attractive person in the nude causes such an involuntary reaction? both of these things can't be true either :D A sauna is usally small with seats arranged around an oven. If an attractive woman w…

One of my favorite stories is seeing a pair of naked Men walking down the sidewalk in the Castro. They had matching prince Albert's, with shiny chains ganging off their penises. They would chastise people on the sidewalk for looking at them. I like to think they were doing it tongue in cheek, a kind of performance art. In my experience, the gay male community has a pretty good culture of noticing bodies and then movi…

That sounds pretty funny!

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by chimprich »

EntropyIsAHoax wrote: post #94
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74

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> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

> I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention > I [. . .] never ever made anybody feel uncomfortable for sure Really doubt both of these things are true. It's very obvious if someone has to intentionally avoid looking around a place naturally. The people around you will notice and they will know why, and that will make them uncomfortable. I really don't understand this impulse ei…

> Are you so sexually repressed that any attractive person in the nude causes such an involuntary reaction?

That's the opposite of sexual repression isn't it? (Taking the term literally). If you are getting more aroused in a situation than is socially acceptable, then it seems you are insufficiently repressed.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by throwaytheignor »

smugma wrote: post #88
lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

I work in California but we have a good sized team (~100) in the former Yugoslavia. The lead person in CA is Bosnian, most of the people we work with are in Serbia, but one team is in North Macedonia. The way the head Bosnian guy explains it to me is that it’s all about money. People want to be able to eat, buy a car, take a vacation. If they paid well, everyone gets along, there’s no politics involved. This was real…

What is he going to say to you? That the Serb committed mass genocide etc. The guy is here and has to make a living and not create enemies above his pay grade. Saying as someone who has met many Bosnians with severe PTSD who were there at that time.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by rmbyrro »

fellowniusmonk wrote: post #93
rmbyrro wrote: post #59

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Hey, thanks for adding more perspective to the discussion. I think these are points to meditate on. Clarifying, I didn't mean to express animal/human as a dichotomy. I see it more as a spectrum. We surely have a LOT in common with animals, but it's also evident that we have the freedom to face everything we do in a different way. Some animals will stop feeding their cubs to concentrate only on the strongest one. They…

fwiw, here is how I loosely think about the problem: Humans are both 100% animal and 100% human. There is no dichotomy. A human acting "as an animal" is doing a maximally human thing. A human acting as a "civilized" person is also maximally human. Choosing not to play the game via "suicide" and choosing to stay in the game to see where it leads via "not suiciding" are both maximally human decisions. The most fucked u…

Hi, I hope the way I expressed my views didn't cause any personal resentments.

To be clear, I'm not enforcing anything. Just expressing, which is quite different.

I think both of us can agree that expressing points of view through words is a human thing. It's also a human thing to do that even with strangers.

That being said, I will certainly review my views in the future and hope to improve them. I expressed what is my current view on those topics.

You can obviously disagree, discard them, or anything else your judgement indicates.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by rmbyrro »

dalbasal wrote: post #86
rmbyrro wrote: post #59

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Hey, thanks for adding more perspective to the discussion. I think these are points to meditate on. Clarifying, I didn't mean to express animal/human as a dichotomy. I see it more as a spectrum. We surely have a LOT in common with animals, but it's also evident that we have the freedom to face everything we do in a different way. Some animals will stop feeding their cubs to concentrate only on the strongest one. They…

How do you decide to designate something as more animalistic or human. Is is caring for children animal or human? Being socially pleasant? What makes attending a naturist summer camp animalistic? FWIW, the majority of recent, western naturist subcultures came from rationalist origins... a sort of late enlightenment movement. They pondered why we behave as we do, and rejected rote knowledge. IE, they thought we cultur…

> How do you decide to designate something as more animalistic or human

That is actually quite a good question.

I haven't thought about it thoroughly to reduce into an objective way.

Will work on doing that in the future.

This makes me think that the differences I perceive today are more of an intuition or an unconscious mental process.

Thanks for engaging in the discussion! ;)

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by vorpalhex »

EntropyIsAHoax wrote: post #94
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

> I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention > I [. . .] never ever made anybody feel uncomfortable for sure Really doubt both of these things are true. It's very obvious if someone has to intentionally avoid looking around a place naturally. The people around you will notice and they will know why, and that will make them uncomfortable. I really don't understand this impulse ei…

It depends on the viewer too and their mood and circumstance.

There are times I can watch an orgy disinterestedly. Then there are times someone wears a slightly tight shirt and I need to go hide behind a counter.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by strongpigeon »

Tangentially related, but I’ve always found Washington state laws around nudity to be surprisingly (for the US) reasonable. The gist of it is that nudity is fine as long as it’s expected/not in the intent to cause distress (i.e. flashing is still illegal).

Seattle even has a clothing optional beach! It’s not officially one, but it’s fully normal take your clothes off over there. This article [0] has more about the subject.

[0] https://www.kuow.org/stories/it-s-totally-legal-to-be-naked-...

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