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Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by s1artibartfast » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 2:45 PM UTC

wawjgreen wrote: post #54

cosmodisk wrote: post #5

To me, naturist beaches fall under the same category as saunas, when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on. Sure, there's always exceptions, where people see tits and go crazy about it, but in most cases it's completely different. I'm quite glad my country also has nudist beaches for those who want to be naked there.

on a nudist beach or a nude sauna, i would have a permanent 3erktion--until it were to be resolved. as it is, the models on the ads along streets are already troublesome enough. isn't it my right to live in a world where semi-nude women are not shoved into my face wherever i look???

I would say no,you don't get that right. The inverse is also true, I don't think it is a right for nudists to expect entirely pure thoughts.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by desireco42 » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 2:47 PM UTC

lakomen wrote: post #30

What I always loved about Yugoslavia was the freedom. You couldn't criticize the party but everything else was free. I was 13, at 11am I watched TV and saw a music clip where the content was 2 people fucking and smiling while doing so. They were having fun. You could drive a light motorbike, no helm, no license. The food was natural. You could sleep anywhere without anyone bothering you or having to be afraid that so…

I can confirm what you are saying, it is hard to explain with examples, but we were just free unlike most other places.

One thing about naturist beaches and how that resonated, there is/was a belief that especially for the kids, you should allow them to run naked and swim naked in the sea. When they get older, once they learn to be shy, they would be clothed, but when they are kids and innocent, they should be free to go how they want ie. naked.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by fellowniusmonk » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 2:48 PM UTC

rmbyrro wrote: post #59

dalbasal wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree entirely. First, the notion that someone somewhere in society doing porn is bad for the society itself. The desire to shave off societies' "stray hairs" is deeply immoral. It has always has been, but that does not make it right. Second, I strongly disagree that carefree attitudes towards sex/nudity is automatically dehumanising, animalistic or objectifying. Sexuality, the human body, etc. This stuff is dee…

Hey, thanks for adding more perspective to the discussion. I think these are points to meditate on. Clarifying, I didn't mean to express animal/human as a dichotomy. I see it more as a spectrum. We surely have a LOT in common with animals, but it's also evident that we have the freedom to face everything we do in a different way. Some animals will stop feeding their cubs to concentrate only on the strongest one. They…

fwiw, here is how I loosely think about the problem:

Humans are both 100% animal and 100% human.

There is no dichotomy.

A human acting "as an animal" is doing a maximally human thing.

A human acting as a "civilized" person is also maximally human.

Choosing not to play the game via "suicide" and choosing to stay in the game to see where it leads via "not suiciding" are both maximally human decisions.

The most fucked up but also a maximally human expression is to try to enforce your chosen / memetically inculcated views of "acting human" on other humans. Forcing others whom you have never met into your is/ought for "reasons".

It's fucked up because the coda one chooses to enforce shaves the weirdness of humanity off (being bullied for liking computers in the 80s slowed the rate of human computer adoption) in an attempt to socially decrease the range of acceptable expressions thus narrowing the global tree of human exploration and expression.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by EntropyIsAHoax » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74

cosmodisk wrote: post #5

To me, naturist beaches fall under the same category as saunas, when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on. Sure, there's always exceptions, where people see tits and go crazy about it, but in most cases it's completely different. I'm quite glad my country also has nudist beaches for those who want to be naked there.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

> I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention

> I [. . .] never ever made anybody feel uncomfortable for sure

Really doubt both of these things are true. It's very obvious if someone has to intentionally avoid looking around a place naturally. The people around you will notice and they will know why, and that will make them uncomfortable.

I really don't understand this impulse either. As someone who has frequently hung out with friends of my age naked, and I consider many of them very attractive, I just do not get aroused in this situation. If it's clear that it's not a sexual situation what is there to get excited about? Are you so sexually repressed that any attractive person in the nude causes such an involuntary reaction?

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by s1artibartfast » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:03 PM UTC

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74

cosmodisk wrote: post #5

To me, naturist beaches fall under the same category as saunas, when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on. Sure, there's always exceptions, where people see tits and go crazy about it, but in most cases it's completely different. I'm quite glad my country also has nudist beaches for those who want to be naked there.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

I like to think I am a sauna and bath house afficianto.

I think this reaction is entirely normal. Humans have emotions but should be judged on their actions, not thoughts.

If someone takes issue with you averting your gaze, they have an issue with reality.

It unreasonable to expect others to simultaneously pay attention to your genitals and but also not notice them.

That said, I think there is a lot less cognitive dissonance in taking a polite look and moving on than trying to pretend people are disembodied heads floating around.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by shimonabi » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:08 PM UTC

In Slovenia the most beautiful beach in my opinion is a designated FKK spot. I just go there clothed and so do 99% of other people. My feeling is that even topless sunbathing is slowly dying out.

Almost every beach has a remote FKK spot that is out of view.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by 2-718-281-828 » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:24 PM UTC

EntropyIsAHoax wrote: post #94

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

> I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention > I [. . .] never ever made anybody feel uncomfortable for sure Really doubt both of these things are true. It's very obvious if someone has to intentionally avoid looking around a place naturally. The people around you will notice and they will know why, and that will make them uncomfortable. I really don't understand this impulse ei…

> As someone who has frequently hung out with friends of my age naked, and I consider many of them very attractive, I just do not get aroused in this situation

> Are you [and certainly not me] so sexually repressed that any attractive person in the nude causes such an involuntary reaction?

both of these things can't be true either :D

A sauna is usally small with seats arranged around an oven. If an attractive woman with ample bosom is sitting at right angles to me then it can be optically impossible not to constantly notice ... and yes, there are women who are seeking attention and optimize for it actively.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by s1artibartfast » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:25 PM UTC

EntropyIsAHoax wrote: post #94

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on I definitely helps that most attendees are not particularly attractive. But as soon as an actually attractive girl/woman is present - I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention. Happens very rarely, though. And I'm saying that as someone having gone to the sauna for many years. -- just to be clearer - I…

> I do have to manage my attention to avoid ... ahem ... drawing unwanted attention > I [. . .] never ever made anybody feel uncomfortable for sure Really doubt both of these things are true. It's very obvious if someone has to intentionally avoid looking around a place naturally. The people around you will notice and they will know why, and that will make them uncomfortable. I really don't understand this impulse ei…

I think there are two thing going on.

First, a huge a mount of people are sexually repressed in the west. Second, is a double standard where looking around naturally is upsetting to some in a nude setting. This causes a lot of issues with people trying to behave in ways that were never natural to them.

When I meet someone at a work or a coffee shop, I will look at them and notice what shit, pants, and shoes they are wearing. What their body type is and if they work out. It isn't a sexual thing, just part of being an observant and curious person.

This level of attention is generally regarded as impolite for some nudists. They want to be naked but they also want their bodies to be invisible to others, which causes some serious conflicts with reality.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by stephen_g » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:34 PM UTC

wawjgreen wrote: post #54

cosmodisk wrote: post #5

To me, naturist beaches fall under the same category as saunas, when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on. Sure, there's always exceptions, where people see tits and go crazy about it, but in most cases it's completely different. I'm quite glad my country also has nudist beaches for those who want to be naked there.

on a nudist beach or a nude sauna, i would have a permanent 3erktion--until it were to be resolved. as it is, the models on the ads along streets are already troublesome enough. isn't it my right to live in a world where semi-nude women are not shoved into my face wherever i look???

It’s surprising actually, with normal people, nudism/naturism is generally super non-sexy, especially compared to the kind of models you see partially clothed in ads. Firstly, because most people don’t look like models, but even when you see more attractive people, the context is very different and you get used to it pretty quickly and the weirdness and novelty wears off. Anyone going hoping for sexual satisfaction will probably be disappointed.

Re: The untold story of Yugoslavia’s naturist paradise

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Post by jamincan » Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:43 PM UTC

wawjgreen wrote: post #54

cosmodisk wrote: post #5

To me, naturist beaches fall under the same category as saunas, when you go naked. In most cases there's virtually zero sexuality going on. Sure, there's always exceptions, where people see tits and go crazy about it, but in most cases it's completely different. I'm quite glad my country also has nudist beaches for those who want to be naked there.

on a nudist beach or a nude sauna, i would have a permanent 3erktion--until it were to be resolved. as it is, the models on the ads along streets are already troublesome enough. isn't it my right to live in a world where semi-nude women are not shoved into my face wherever i look???

I think this sort of thing becomes far less arousing once it is no longer taboo and uncommon. I'm gay and that probably means I've been in situations where I've been naked around people I might be attracted to more often than most straight men are (locker rooms, saunas, doctors visits, etc.). My experience has been that on its own nudity outside of a sexual situation isn't enough to be arousing, it's not something that even crosses my mind anymore.