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TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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its assuming that you have one person’s contact info who is tangentially associated to the other people (number or username or email etc) or that they have yours. Then you get recommended all the same people and can also browse the same people’s friends. The recommendation and browsing is the same as Facebook’s early days, the same as now, and very different from instant messaging apps. None of these apps are intende…

That’s not how IG or TikTok work. Not as well as FB’s recommendation system years ago. For example I had to gather everyone together from an online community on both platforms even though everyone was linked on Facebook. People weren’t finding recommendations to connect with other community people themselves on those platforms. > None of these apps are intended to solve your loneliness crisis What do you mean? Are yo…

Recommendation engines break or change every sprint on every app, so I am surprised your community had this issue, but not sure your conclusions are really the direction of these platforms.

Either way, I don't see those as problems or a market gap people want.

Many groups just share a google form or spreadsheet. Accurate observation that this is something that would work even if we were just using old instant message apps since a list of screennames could be shared just as well. But since you already had an existing community to transport, its not a problem there and not a problem I see in my own communities.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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I hope someone working at YouTube see this. I was watching Shorts and it's infested with literal horse fucking videos from countless India spam channels. NSFW example: https://youtube.com/shorts/8Pd4s07vIq0?feature=share

Well you watched one and so the AI's decided that's what you're in to now.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Well, that's one specific communications channel. You mostly don't socially call people out of the blue outside of a very tight circle of friends and family--and cell phone numbers can't be looked up in general. However, many people--especially professionals--have LinkedIn profiles. And many in general can be searched on Twitter, Facebook, etc. Given someone's name and maybe a little more information about them, you…

The point being was there used to just be a big book with everyone in it, and now there isn't, and probably never could be again with how we all now feel about and regulate data privacy.

> The point being was there used to just be a big book with everyone in it

There was never a big book with everyone in it. Maybe everyone in your city (more accurately, every household). But it was never even close to the scale of the internet. Linkedin has orders of magnitude more people than your phone book ever did.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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I still wish for a clone of Google+ v1 to succeed and replace Facebook. Sometimes i still wonder why it failed.

Real name policy. Now you practically need to send an id and a birth certificate to get a free email address, but the overton window hadn't been completely forced yet during the period Google+ needed growth. Combine real names with they fact that they would pull your youtube (and any other google property) account in, and it was really repulsive to people. And Google held strong and kept trying to push that for years…

> they would pull your youtube (and any other google property) account in, and it was really repulsive to people

Here's a fun anecdote that comes to mind whenever I think of Google+ :

On YouTube I had either liked or commented on a video where comedian/pianist Tim Minchin performed his song, White Wine in the Sun. To give a simple summary, this song is about how he likes Christmas, even if he thinks the whole religious aspect of it is silly.

This was around my late teens, when I was quietly pulling myself out of my Christian upbringing and had decided I didn't really want to continue pretending I believe all that stuff (part of the reason I was drawn to Tim Minchin in the first place).

Well wouldn't you know, apparently interacting with any YouTube video publicly posted your interactions to your Google+ page, where I had added some random people here or there, including my sister who had seen this "post," watched the video, and proceeded to question me a day or two later as to why I shared that video.

I can't say that left a great impression on me to continue using Google+

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Yeah, I don't understand all the negativity here. I met one of my friends on TikTok, on a post about an event going on in the city (when I'd just moved). It's much more social than Instagram, etc. IMO.

How do you communicate on tiktok? Direct messages?

Yeah exactly, comments then DMs.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Personally I think Instagram (The core product, not stories or reels) is to today what Facebook and MySpace where back in the day. Obviously though that is being eroded away by Instagrams lack of confidence and insistence to fight TikTok, which I also find strange I mean yeah its a vertical feed of video but really why you go to it is really different for why you go to IG, TikTok has more in common with YouTube than…

IG doesn’t have any of the people directory. It’s heavily focused on bigger brands, profiles, influencers, and seeing random stuff from these entities I have no personal relation with. Facebook of old was like what the OP was saying. IG is only marginally like that with friends pic posts. This is regardless of whatever tiktok stuff since I don’t use IG much for the same reasons as OP.

> IG doesn’t have any of the people directory

Maybe it's just my country but I can find anyone I know or work with on there by typing their name in.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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> The "people directory" I think this is Facebook's biggest issue: they moved from being a very useful tool to being the app that tries to drive traffic and engagement so much that it becomes less useful. I think they should refocus back on being a useful tool to keep track of friends, and keep in touch with people you meet, and then do the other stuff they want to do separately. Facebook IS still useful, but because…

The problem I see is that kind of stuff is just not profitable anymore. IMO it shouldn't be a company like FB running a people directory, it should be something mastodon. The utopian future I would like for social media is if we had a protocol for a people directory social network. It would function in much the same way as facebook pages or your myspace page. Most users will just sign up for a service, technical user…

> that kind of stuff is just not profitable anymore.

It wasn't profitable back then either, alas—which is why Facebook has repeatedly pivoted to less useful, more annoying, but more monetizable offerings.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Social media and Websites in general are like TV shows or recording artists - they exist within an era and eventually become legacy/classic and irrelevant to the new youth culture. No one wants to engage with the same cultural artifacts of their parents or the previous generation. They want to establish themselves as a distinct cultural era and need symbols, etc that are distinct.

> Social media and Websites in general are like TV shows or recording artists

I don't think this is necessarily true. All of these social media companies serve different purposes with a focus on different types of content. When a new content format appears, users will flock there until they either get bored or a competitor iterates on that format and provides a better experience.

The first era of mainstream social media was really kicked off by Myspace, which was overtaken by FB only a few years later. Though, I think attempting to draw parallels from that era to today is foolish. Myspace gave users way too much control which made their site completely unusable. The app was also just flat-out broken in many places. They drove their own users away. There also was no young vs old divide there, in fact, the average age of FB was probably higher than Myspace.

Instagram threatened Facebook with their focus on "good" photography taken in the moment, tagged to specific locations. Facebook quickly acquired them but both apps continued growing and retained much of the same user base for a long while.

Snapchat launched after Instagram and there were similar talks of them killing Instagram, but then Instagram launched the same functionality and overtook Snapchat, bringing many of those younger users into their network.

Now we are seeing the rise of TikTok with their top-notch recommendation algos and short-form video content. In this case, I think Instagram moved too slowly in cloning TikTok's experience/content, but it's still too early to tell what will happen.

As another example, take a look at Reddit. It's been on a steady rise since its inception. There was Digg at the beginning, but again, they (like Myspace) were responsible for their own demise. It was not a cultural battle between the young vs old. Reddit has maintained their existing demographic, while consistently keeping the younger generation engaged. In Reddit's case, they are the best aggregators of content so that's where people go.

My point is that this idea that younger users just want to use a different social network to define themselves or get away from the older generations doesn't prove out in the records. It comes down to different experiences that facilitate different types of content. If the existing players are able to improve on that experience that results in the same (or better) level of content, they can steal those users back (or in the case of Reddit, achieve such dominance that nobody comes even close).

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Tiktok is a far superior social network compared to Facebook and the others. Good that it is taking over the US.

I never really "got" social media and TikTok is no exception. People here call it addictive, but it doesn't seem to work on me.

I dunno, I guess I like long-form content like Youtube over this stuff.

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