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TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by mrkramer »

klodolph wrote: post #32
timeimp wrote: post #19

I've heard (anecdotally) that the attention span of all the younger users has taken a dramatic shift south. Educators and employers are noticing they cannot keep students / new employees engaged. Makes me wonder what damage is happening, long-term, with all these short bursts of dopamine that TikTok gives it users.

People have been saying that for centuries or longer. Kids these days have shorter attention spans. People said it about millennials, about gen-x, about baby boomers. There’s a record of people complaining that kids are ruined by their reliance on writing things on paper, rather than slate. There’s a record of Socrates complaining that the written word is ruining people’s memory. The record exists because Plato wrote…

All of a sudden everybody has short attention span but books sales still didn't drop to zero.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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k4rli wrote: post #139
nprateem wrote: post #90

A good analysis. Whether you like it or not, Tiktok is a classic example of disruption. They've not only circumvented the moat of their biggest competitors, but made it a liability - FB & Insta can't just abandon the social graph without disenfranchinsing their existing users. Absolutely textbook innovation.

Is there innovation? Seems like Tiktok is just a more "evil" iteration of Vine.

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Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by baby »

captainmuon wrote: post #77

Modern social media leaves a very big gap - that was filled by old Facebook, or to some extent MySpace: The "people directory" where basically everybody has a page, and you can see what friends are doing, or look up acquaintances and strangers. For me, social media feeds were never addicting, but more tedious. I found visiting friends pages and sometimes finding an update, sometimes not, like a slot machine, more add…

> The "people directory"

I think this is Facebook's biggest issue: they moved from being a very useful tool to being the app that tries to drive traffic and engagement so much that it becomes less useful. I think they should refocus back on being a useful tool to keep track of friends, and keep in touch with people you meet, and then do the other stuff they want to do separately. Facebook IS still useful, but because of all the noise now people mostly use it to be able to contact old friends OR they don't use the close social network features that use to make facebook useful.

> I think it would be hard to start something like this again, because people are afraid of data collection now in a way they weren't in 2006

I think that's projecting. Many countries don't care, and many groups of people don't care.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by baby »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #35

> Facebook, it seems, is moving away from its traditional focus on text and images, spread among people who know one another, to instead adopt TikTok’s emphasis on pure distraction. This shift is not surprising given TikTok’s phenomenal popularity, but it’s also shortsighted: platforms like Facebook could be doomed if they fail to maintain the social graphs upon which they built their kingdoms. This. I on occasion vi…

They already moved from being this useful tool to keep track of friends and people you meet to being a noisy content platform. BUT, you can still use it (via messenger) to keep track of your friend, so people (including me) still use it for that. It is still a shame that they didn't preserve the old utility of facebook and created the noisy content platform as a separate thing.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

timeimp wrote: post #19

I've heard (anecdotally) that the attention span of all the younger users has taken a dramatic shift south. Educators and employers are noticing they cannot keep students / new employees engaged. Makes me wonder what damage is happening, long-term, with all these short bursts of dopamine that TikTok gives it users.

I think we are in for big problems. I graduated from college in 2017 and my adult classmates couldn't even pay attention in class. If adults are hooked then children stand absolutely no chance.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by baby »

someonenice wrote: post #52

Tiktok here does not force you to login for watching the videos (unless you want to like / comment / subscribe etc.. ). And also allows downloading the videos right from the app (if the creator has enabled download for the video), so I download the ones that are to be bookmarked. This is in stark contrast to what the FB and Insta like companies do. Since I don't login, I use multiple devices to access tiktok. And I n…

Surely Tiktok will change to do exactly this in the future, that's what they all do.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by lionkor »

k4rli wrote: post #139
nprateem wrote: post #90

A good analysis. Whether you like it or not, Tiktok is a classic example of disruption. They've not only circumvented the moat of their biggest competitors, but made it a liability - FB & Insta can't just abandon the social graph without disenfranchinsing their existing users. Absolutely textbook innovation.

Is there innovation? Seems like Tiktok is just a more "evil" iteration of Vine.

The algorithm™. ByteDance, the company behind TikTok, had previously launched one of the most popular news aggregators in China, running on the same / a variation of the same algorithm (machine learning, etc. based afaik).

Thats why its taking off so much - just like ByteDance's other products. That AI or whatever it is is very, very effective at understanding what you want.

Re: TikTok and the Fall of the Social-Media Giants

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Post by baby »

alexvoda wrote: post #99

I still wish for a clone of Google+ v1 to succeed and replace Facebook. Sometimes i still wonder why it failed.

IMO Facebook used to be perfect, and can still be if they split the content platform from the close social networking platform. Not because you are forced to use the content platform, but I think it drives people away. I got a close friend who deleted his facebook account and I can't find him anymore, nobody knows how to contact him, I went twice to his city and couldn't reach out to him.
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