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Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by okwubodu »

Ken_At_EM wrote: post #24
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #15

"there'd be no license transfer of any sort, which means that any purchases made on Stadia would effectively be nullified as the service closes down." It lasted less than three years and will leave players with nothing to show. This is what people were predicting when Stadia lauched and part of the reason why it had poor adoption.

It is highly unethical to take away copies of the game that players had to pay full price for. Stadia owes them a retail copy of the games they purchased.

What we need is a portable digital license. Like a card we can store in a sort of internet wallet and present to storefronts to get access to a game. That way publishers wouldn’t be able to bully customers to the extent they currently do.

No way the gaming community would be opposed to such a thing.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by tokai »

delecti wrote: post #98
tokai wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would still have your games files and be able to run them. Steam is not a rental or streaming service.

Many/most Steam games use Steam servers to authenticate ownership. It's a store, but it's also a DRM provider. Many games would require cracking to keep working.

>most Steam games use Steam servers to authenticate ownership

Not true. Maybe if you mainly play ubisoft tiles.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by macspoofing »

SilverBirch wrote: post #66

You would really hope there would be some far reaching repercussions for senior leadership at Google on this one. There are lots of projects that Google has tried and failed on, and sure, that happens. But this one is probably the clearest, obvious failure of execution. There is an absolutely crystal clear playbook of a Tech company forcing its way into the Gaming business. So how Google has managed to enter, complet…

>But this one is probably the clearest, obvious failure of execution ... There is an absolutely crystal clear playbook of a Tech company forcing its way into the Gaming business.

I'm not sure this was an 'obvious failure of execution'. They wanted to build a gaming cloud-streaming-only service, and they built one. I don't think you can build a better one because the problems with cloud-streamed gaming are with the concept not execution. The streaming service provided by Xbox is on par with Stadia, in that it suffers from the same latency, and graphical downscaling issues as Stadia did. On the Xbox it is part of my subscription (so technically 'free') and I don't want to use it because the experience is bad (although it is nice to quickly sample a game without needing to wait for download and install).

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by OrangeMonkey »

unpopularopp wrote: post #113
falcolas wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stadia works quite well if you live in a big city adjacent to their data centers. It’s pretty ass otherwise.

Did you try Xbox Cloud gaming? Cause I live in a pretty small town in Eastern Europe and it works flawlessly. Does Microsoft doing something better or Stadia was just that bad?

I've used xbox cloud gaming before. The lag made it hard to use, but I appreciate having a way to 'test out a game' before downloading 50-70 gb of install media. For that purpose, if nothing else, its a win.

The big difference, I think, for why google is made fun of for stadia but few people throw rocks at Microsoft is the game selection. Microsoft does not kill off their projects willy-nilly so game manufacturers, I assume, feel better about crawling into their bed than googles.

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Post by pjmlp »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #73

People don't want a lot of choice. They want iOS or Android. PS5 or XBox. Republican or Democrat. ATT or Verizon. Comcast. Honestly I'm surprised there's not only two auto makers.

They kind of are almost, given that many car brands belong to the same mother company.

Example, https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/group.html

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by fluoridation »

Ken_At_EM wrote: post #96
FVYPblNGl7R9ZAc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is how all of this works. If Valve went out of business then you wouldn't have any legal right or way to get the games you purchased on Steam. If Amazon shut down Prime Video then you couldn't watch the movies you purchased on it. This is not a unique problem to Google Stadia.

You’re of course entirely correct. Valve feels different because you can install the games and play them on a machine of your choosing. Maybe if Stadia allowed you to play the games on your machine OR Stadia, the would have been a more compelling offering. Personally, I would have loved a service like that. There are so many games that my machine can play and I don’t want to deal with even the slightest lag, but I’ve…

A game streaming service is a solution to a different problem, not yours. It's much more reliable to control the performance by running it locally and tweaking the graphical fidelity than by running it remotely and adding unpredictable network performance as a factor. Instead, game streaming is meant to solve the problem of playing a game on a system that could never ever hope to run it, or to play it away from one's main system.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by dtx1 »

billconan wrote: post #45

As an engineer who used to work on cloud gaming, I know the biggest challenge of cloud gaming is not achieving low latency, but achieving low latency at reasonable cost. The reality is that the economic numbers don't really add up.

If money was no object, what would technologically be possible right now in terms of latency?

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by mehlmao »

Whatever happened to the "negative latency" feature they promised? For context, they claimed that Google AI would be able to learn how you play games, predict what you'll do, simulate ahead and then send those frames to your Chromecast in advance so there's 0 input latency.

Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by thrownaways12 »

Ken_At_EM wrote: post #24
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #15

"there'd be no license transfer of any sort, which means that any purchases made on Stadia would effectively be nullified as the service closes down." It lasted less than three years and will leave players with nothing to show. This is what people were predicting when Stadia lauched and part of the reason why it had poor adoption.

It is highly unethical to take away copies of the game that players had to pay full price for. Stadia owes them a retail copy of the games they purchased.

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Re: Rumor: Google Stadia May Be Getting Shut Down

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Post by jaywalk »

gre wrote: post #112
FVYPblNGl7R9ZAc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is how all of this works. If Valve went out of business then you wouldn't have any legal right or way to get the games you purchased on Steam. If Amazon shut down Prime Video then you couldn't watch the movies you purchased on it. This is not a unique problem to Google Stadia.

Amazon once told me that the music I had purchased was no longer available. I lost access to a digital music purchase...

But Amazon sells MP3 downloads?
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