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Applying the hacker / engineering mindset to Spirituality

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Re: Applying the hacker / engineering mindset to Spirituality

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Since you want to share your discoveries I suggest you get as good as you can at writing. The only things I know that have a strong impact on that are reading critically, writing, editing and getting feedback on your writing. To point at this post, I have a hard time following it. I don't see what the title has to do with any of it besides you being a software engineer. The lessons came from the dog shelter, not engi…

The problem with writing to general audience is, it is too general. We are too different ...

My lessons came from my critical analyzing mind applied to living beings and feelings.

Re: Applying the hacker / engineering mindset to Spirituality

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It's hard. HN specifically doesn't respond well to it. I'll give you concrete example: I once tried making a comment and mentioned 'universe rewards creativity', that got downvoted pretty hard, even though as engineering mind you should consider stuff like: - solving a problem in a smart way and get cred/promotion/recognition - asking out/getting attention of a girl/boy you like - paying for clothes you think is cool…

Lots of thought we have is grown and more like a self discovery along your own path.

Generic concepts, which have been thought of by plenty of others are easier to grasp.

Like I thought about things until my sister gave me the word for it: nihilist.

Understanding nihilim is still different than coming to the conclusion of nihilism.

But plenty of other people draw their lines somewhere else. They don't follow philosophy because it's just not important for them.

Or they made their peace long ago.

Your example with creativity doesn't fit my world of nihilism at all (I wouldn't down vote it).

So we are not aligned at all. And you / we are probably not aligned with lots of others on spiritual concepts.

Im thinking about something similar to creativity: we are now so many people with fast interconnection in between us (internet, video) and the general though of something new that it's just a logical consequences that we need to explore all boundaries around us.

I also have plenty of counter examples which did not gave a reward for being creative from 'the universe's.

Being an artist is not easy.

Your thshirt example is also more realted to capitalism. The original motivation is getting money for food.

Those systems / constructs are not made by the universe they are made by us. Those are our constructs.

We reward creativity due to the desire for new stimula.

This goes more into machine learning or game theory: how to train a network to create an image? By creating a counter network checking if something is not an image.

Re: Applying the hacker / engineering mindset to Spirituality

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There is strong evidence out there that some spiritual things are real, more than just being a placebo/make-believe. There is something else going on, contrary to the accepted belief that the brain is a biological computer. https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/ is one of a few places that applies scientific method (pretty much hacker/engineering mindset) to such phenomena. Maybe get in touch with such places?

There is no strong evidence out there at all.

The list of things they list (no joke they also list poltergeist) are easily dismissed.

There has been no real reproducible evidence for any of it.

They even state empirical evidence. Like saying 'hey we can't really proof it but ...'

They mention telepathy which would be easy to verify.

They would even get 1 million dollar if they could proof it.

You should look up James Randi.

Re: Applying the hacker / engineering mindset to Spirituality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's probably the easiest thing. Non religious spirituality has a huge audience in this day and age. Perhaps it's the fallout from the hard new-atheist/new-antitheist preachers of a a decade ago.

It should not even be called spirituality ... just how to find our full potential. The word spirituality has a very bad history ... people fought wars over who is right/wrong.

I would like to disagree.

In a pure logical world nihilism would be one potential answer.

'full potential ' would mean something different than in a pure life positive mindset.

I would go so far to say that reaching the stars is secondary as long as others still suffer in their existense.

Spirituality starts for me were your thoughts don't have a logical root.

What's 'full potential'? Why is it relevant. Why would it be better than not being born?

Re: Applying the hacker / engineering mindset to Spirituality

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There is strong evidence out there that some spiritual things are real, more than just being a placebo/make-believe. There is something else going on, contrary to the accepted belief that the brain is a biological computer. https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual-studies/ is one of a few places that applies scientific method (pretty much hacker/engineering mindset) to such phenomena. Maybe get in touch with such places?

There is no strong evidence out there at all. The list of things they list (no joke they also list poltergeist) are easily dismissed. There has been no real reproducible evidence for any of it. They even state empirical evidence. Like saying 'hey we can't really proof it but ...' They mention telepathy which would be easy to verify. They would even get 1 million dollar if they could proof it. You should look up James…

It isn’t telepathy, modern quantum terminology has it as “teleportation” (hate that word.) the wormholes are in our brains.

If you could reliably hear the thoughts of others a million bucks isn’t your problem, it is the secret power occult society of thought control (who will human sacrifice your children to keep you quite.)

Those skilled in manipulating consciousness (aka “power”) were less guarded in generations before (mastermind theory of MKS and Napoleon Hill discuss how intelligent people explore and identify this phenomena in the past.) I like those stories about the voices alerting people of health crisis. PKD even has one such stories.

Their explanations make more sense if disembodied others are fooling around in our minds, rather than these actually understanding what is happening to themselves. (Of which admit it, we’re terrible at that.)

As we’re talking about our brains being entangled, the voices aren’t hiding in another room, they are a thousand miles away in isolated security. Fewer can manipulate consciousness than those sensitive enough to “hear” it happening.

Notice how many times ”the voices” are mentioned in public shootings. Or “the thoughts won’t stop. HELP ME”. Yeah, “dismissed”. Thanks science.

“Easily dismissed”, is ironic considering it is easier to refuse to believe. That’s incredulity, not science.

Re: Applying the hacker / engineering mindset to Spirituality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no strong evidence out there at all. The list of things they list (no joke they also list poltergeist) are easily dismissed. There has been no real reproducible evidence for any of it. They even state empirical evidence. Like saying 'hey we can't really proof it but ...' They mention telepathy which would be easy to verify. They would even get 1 million dollar if they could proof it. You should look up James…

It isn’t telepathy, modern quantum terminology has it as “teleportation” (hate that word.) the wormholes are in our brains. If you could reliably hear the thoughts of others a million bucks isn’t your problem, it is the secret power occult society of thought control (who will human sacrifice your children to keep you quite.) Those skilled in manipulating consciousness (aka “power”) were less guarded in generations be…

Feel free to believe this if you want or if it helps you.

But your simple 'explanaition' of quantum tunneling effects sounds fancy but creates so many more issues that it is as insane as it sounds.

Oh our brain is able to quantum tunnel to people who need help and ignores all other billions of people.

It's not good enough that we can proof it over pure randomness which makes it 100% useless even if this would be a thing but there are probably a 1000 other reasons why we can't use it anymore right?

I'm not sure what you mean 'by the voice' but I do know that our brain is not perfect and there are illnesses out there like schizophrenia.

I also experienced basic Halluzinationen myself due to LSD and just last week when I was only hearing English for the last three weeks on holiday that sometimes my mind though it would understand German sentence from people further away.

Science means that you need to proof it. It's easy to invent something without any proof. Look: I saw God, I'm Jesus and you need to be my follower. Your duty to me is your destiny. Send me all your money.

You don't need proof and you can't even determine if I'm not son of god. Better worship me now.

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