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Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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I am thinking about leaving as well, as I've come to the same conclusions. If anyone is interested here are some of my reasons and impressions of Berlin. Berlin is lost, the decline of the rest has begun. The problems are systemic. The social fabric is beginning to crumble. Organized crime, especially many criminal clans from the islamic\arab-world ("Clankriminalität"), have been a plague since the 80s. It seems they…

Thank you. All that and more.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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> They had choose as economy minister one crazy old man that already had prepared a plan to exit from euro in one weekend. Luckily for us, the president Mattarella stopped it. That "crazy old man" (Paolo Savona) is an economist, academic, previously minister for the economy and he is now the CONSOB president, so trust me he is not crazy, he has a better CV than both of us combined, it's just that you disagree and you…

M5S fan spotted.

And I spotted someone without arguments.

Seriously, calling "crazy old man" someone who's done more in their life than you will in 5 of your lives is some interesting form of coping.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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Interesting thread, many insights on a topic where wisdom is hard won. That said, I read OPs complaints about polarization and taxes, and I wonder if Latin America might address some of these issues? (Slightly tongue in cheek) Your status as a foreigner will make people more forgiving of your ignorance of local political issues, and also interested when you make comparisons to foreign perspectives (especially coming…

> That said, I read OPs complaints about polarization and taxes, and I wonder if Latin America might address some of these issues Thank you, that somehow nails it. Some countries on our to-be-checked-list are in Latin America. A personal minus is, that both of us don't speak spanish or portugese. Nevertheless we will dig deeper. Thanks for your opinion.

Check south of Brazil (Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul states) Many cities have Germany roots from immigrants and you can handle, at the beginning, only using German/English. They are very safe too (for Brazilian and Latam standards).

Check the city of Pomerode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerode

That checks everything you want: cheap land/houses, low taxes, mild winters and hot summers. Amazing beaches at 1h driving. Small city where you can connect with people in the neighbourhood.

Negative: very far from Germany. It will take you 1 day to travel (1h flying to São Paulo + 12hs to Europe, plus the waiting time and going to the airport)

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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M5S fan spotted.

And I spotted someone without arguments. Seriously, calling "crazy old man" someone who's done more in their life than you will in 5 of your lives is some interesting form of coping.

He can be had a lot of good things in the past, but this not ensuring that he has crazy idea right now. Think about Luc Montagner: he was a Nobel prize scientist, but his position about vaccines and COVID was crazy.

And if he want to exit from Euro, he and the parties that supporting him, they must say it explicitly in front of the Italians, instead that be foggy about the topic and prepare hidden plans to be implemented overnight.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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post #248

> 30 year low You actually want to retire in Germany AND THEN move wherever. You are too invested in a single country and its benefits system to give it away just a few years before they are due

Most countries still pay out partial pensions if you live there for a number of years and reach their retirement age after moving to some other place.

Really? Which are those countries? If you never pay into public pension, how can you get a pension then?

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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post #248

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Most countries still pay out partial pensions if you live there for a number of years and reach their retirement age after moving to some other place.

Really? Which are those countries? If you never pay into public pension, how can you get a pension then?

If you never pay into the system, then obviously you don't get anything from it. But if you do pay in, then my understanding is that they'll send you your pension money to wherever you live. That's how it works in the EU, UK. Depending on the country, there can be minimal number of years of work required for the pension to trigger, but AFAIK in the EU they're counted across the whole Union and not per-country.

BTW this is not a verified information so please verify all of the above yourself if you intend to depend on it in any capacity.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

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> That said, I read OPs complaints about polarization and taxes, and I wonder if Latin America might address some of these issues Thank you, that somehow nails it. Some countries on our to-be-checked-list are in Latin America. A personal minus is, that both of us don't speak spanish or portugese. Nevertheless we will dig deeper. Thanks for your opinion.

Check south of Brazil (Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul states) Many cities have Germany roots from immigrants and you can handle, at the beginning, only using German/English. They are very safe too (for Brazilian and Latam standards). Check the city of Pomerode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomerode That checks everything you want: cheap land/houses, low taxes, mild winters and hot summers. Amazing beaches at 1…

Well, if living in a small town is an option, I suppose Germany and Canada also have those and they would have similar pros and cons a small city in Brazil?

Most brazilans, even from these states, would give a kidney to live in Canada or Germany. Even if only for living a safer place where you can walk at night with your phone etc.

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I agree with you about food and quality of life. Not so sure about the tax rates. Are you sure that 22% is all you pay? I'd be very surprised if this is with the Greek tax system. Disclaimer: I'm from Chania and live in London the last 5 years and considering the possibility of working remotely.

Hello, Disclaimer: IANAA, please consult a professional. I can hook you up if you want, with someone who knows these things much better than me (drop a PM via twitter, we're following each other apparently) tl;dr: Business income generated by partnerships (OE and EE) that maintain single entry accounting books is taxed at a unified tax rate of 22%. In addition, any subsequent distribution of profits is not subject to…

Sounds very interesting. Especially 5% for dividends tax sounds like heaven compared to the different tax bands in UK. I'll double check with my accountant there. It may have a potential.

I'm just a bit scared of Greek gov. Traditionally it has been proved completelly volatile and untrustworthy. I don't want to get personal liability or fight with the bureaucracy.

Re: Ask HN: Leaving Germany – where to find quality of life as experienced engineer?

#269

Sorry to hear that you need to leave your country. It's never easy. I left Italy in 2008, in search for opportunities (AWS), then left the US in 2020, back to Italy. What made you leave Berlin, if you don't mind sharing a bit more? Finding the right place is always a compromise. E.g. : 1) quality of schools for your son (eventually; he's still super young) 2) VISA, how easy it is to get a permanent resident, and/or c…

What were your reasons for leaving the US, if it's something you'd be willing to share?

Sorry I missed your question.

Few things:

1) family reasons (father-in-law was sick, wanted to stay closer)

2) had enough of SF. Expensive, dirty, unsafe, poorly managed.

3) was missing some cultural interactions (European/Italian vs “shallower” Californian)

4) tax advantages for returning to Italy

5) wanted to start a new VC firm, thought that non-US became interesting.

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