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Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic
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Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Labeling something as 'conspiracy ranting' is convenient low-brow tactic to dismiss a supported point of view without consideration. This is also a pattern on HN.
Ah yes, 'supported points of view' like half the comments in this thread talking about lab employees selling infected animals in the market? Or how we're "pretending" that Covid is a leading cause of death during a pandemic? Or how somehow Pfizer is implicated in the origin of Covid?
Another lazy rhetorical tactic, Association Fallacy. Not everyone is making all those claims, in fact I only made one: The lab leak is still a better explanation for the origin of COVID.
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#143It's been fascinating and terrifying watching people (in general and on here) jump to answers that are nice but wrong (China did it on purpose, You can cure it with X, it's just the flu, etc) over the last few years. We will never know for certain what happened. It's honestly killed me support for democracy. 95% of people seem to be incapable of thinking about uncertainty and living with not knowing. They just jump h…
I generally find that, while there are a worrying amount of people with insane takes on things, often reaching 30% in various polls when something becomes "political", that the majority generally gets it right. If only there was a bit more democracy, a lot of bad things could be avoided. Having said that, I looked up the polling on lab leaks and American democracy loses on this one: https://morningconsult.com/2021/06…
I know "nearly half" is not quite a majority, but it's still a plurality of Americans getting it right. Don't count out American democracy just yet.
Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a more likely lab leak via market theory is that an employee was exposed and then exposed others at the market. As I remember the market is between the lab and some public transit destinations. It would make sense to go through the market on the way home from work.
> As I remember the market is between the lab and some public transit destinations. It would make sense to go through the market on the way home from work. You don't remember correctly. The WIV is ~15km from the market and there are multiple other markets nearer the WIV if employees were regularly 'shopping.
There is a second "small WIV" just around the corner from this market.
Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic
#145The one thing that makes me think the Lab Leak theory is true is that the Chinese government very very strongly denies the story and does anything it can to deflect or redirect the discussion to some other theory. For anyone reading these kinds of stories and reports but is not a regular China follower, there is one thing you really should know. Anytime the Chinese government reacts very negatively to a story (Denial…
> It is perfectly reasonable that some lab somewhere would collect and study the COVID virus. What is unreasonable is that the lab or a lab worker just got sloppy and accidently released that virus out to the world. Is this still true? It is unfortunate that it took an event like this to prove what we already knew: lab workers, who are of course fallible humans, will make mistakes. Given that Covid was released upon…
> Given that Covid was released upon the world likely due to a lab accident
This is entirely without evidence.
> This in itself has proven to be a source of denial by the very virus experts (like Fauci) that do not want their area of science to be restricted.
Even if you ignore Covid19 -- epidemiologists and virologists have been screaming for years that pandemics are hugely problematic and will become increasingly likely as we densify and further intrude into the urban-wilderness interface. We got extremely lucky that SARS1 wasn't as lethal or infectious as Covid-19. If the work virologists do (even the 'riskiest' work) could lead to new universal coronavirus vaccines or better treatments, it's a much more complicated question on whether to continue the work than ignorant opinions insist.
Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic
#146This was known for two years. Markets are breeding grounds for zoonotic diseases. They often even jump from human to animal and back. The real question is--how did the virus get to the live market? The study accurately says, "While there is insufficient evidence to define upstream events, and exact circumstances remain obscure, our analyses indicate that the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 occurred via the live wildlife trad…
The labs janitor sold dead animals for a side hustle, cheaper then cremation and the lower caste is not properly educated about bacterias, viruses and bio hazards.
(Wild speculation - may contain novel truth contamination)
Re: Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan was early epicenter of the Covid-19 pandemic
#147I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this, would be just as believing of the owners of a nuclear power plant in their town, once the drinking water became radioactive, claiming "it didn't come from the plant, someone else down the street must have done it" - that is just about as believable as this.
> I wonder how many people who are seemingly willing to believe the self-serving CCP party-line on this Which of the paper's authors do you believe are beholden to the "self-serving CCP party-line"? Do you see flaws in the paper's analysis, or are you perhaps employing a thought-terminating cliche?
Given that the existence of the lab is public knowledge, the paper could have at least acknowledged that the market was also a perfect site to distribute the virus intentionally.
This paper proves nothing beyond that there was a spatial relationship between the market and some of the initial cases. It wouldn’t have been hard for the CCP to discretely put some CV-19 distribution devices in the market, if the virus was released on purpose.
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#148We don't have testable theories here, we have Mad Libs. A virus of (human)/(animal) origin was (un)intentionally (released)/(spread)/(detected) in Wuhan, starting at a (lab)/(market). Narrative 1: Animal origin with extensive spread in a food market Narrative 2: Animal origin with accidental release from lab study Narrative 3: Intentional creation/modification of a virus for purposes of scientific study and subsequen…
For theories number 3 4 and 5, increased controls and monitoring viral labs is one possible action.
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#149Conspiracy theories aside, Worebey's Science paper is not unanimously well received by the scientific community, and the data analysis was shown to be partly flawed. Here's a discussion on inference pointing to references and sources that argue against the results of the paper: https://inference-review.com/article/thunder-out-of-china It also raises eyebrows the fact that no animal has ever been found to be positive…
> It also raises eyebrows the fact that no animal has ever been found to be positive for COVID, in contrast to all of the previous SARS pandemics.
This doesn't really mean very much.
It took something like 15 years to find the bat population likely to have been the source of SARS-CoV-1. It's not like we were able to say definitively how the spillover began; it's all probabilities.
We have found similar viruses to SARS-CoV-2 floating around in pangolins and bats.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is exactly what pfas manufacturers like 3M and others are doing to gaslight residents of towns all over America, right now
I met a nurse that said one of her family members lived in a small housing development where almost everyone got terminal brain cancer. A certain company that you've heard of handled hazardous materials next door and offered to do the testing in the development. Surprise, no contamination found. And they made it clear that if you implicate them, you'll be contacted by their sizable legal department. Everyone affected…
Why don’t you reveal the name of the company? I’d like to know what chemicals are (not) linked to brain cancer