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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by mszcz »

hgazx wrote: post #494
nonrandomstring wrote: post #489

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I'm really curious to know what you think that "cat" is ? Are you thinking that digital technology is irrevocably corrupted and hereafter can only be employed toward abusive and manipulative ends? Or are you supposing that because we have allowed some companies to damage society through abuses of technology, that the situation can never be remedied. No laws can ever be brought to bear? Or are you alluding to somethin…

It’s not that profound. Humans have become addicted to sharing every moment of their lives through social media, and then watching what other people have shared. Most people no longer have time to themselves since they feel like if they don’t share what they are doing they aren’t doing anything. And if they aren’t doing anything they have to keep up with others (FOMO). Meta will only disappear when someone else creat…

> Meta will only disappear when someone else creates an even more engaging and therefore malignant platform.

I don't think this is necessarily true. Maybe this will end a different way.

For n=me, I've used facebook when I was younger but stopped using it (and all other social networks for their stated purpose - sharing and connecting) when the algos replaced the chronological order and tried to shove odorless excrement in my eyes non-stop. I'm not looking for a new one.

What I do now? I have a couple of private Signal groups where I and my friends shoot the shit. That's where I get most social value out of the Internet. I use Twitter for news. I use Reddit a bit for trash-browsing. That's it.

Now, this might be a function of me getting older and grumpier and preferring meeting people I already know, sure. I wouldn't however assume that this all will end in a more and more terrible "social" networks. Then again, I might be totally off base because I see that TikTok is eating facebook's lunch and it's not any better for humanity I think.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by GrumpyNl »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

They are driven by the numbers, the numbers cant be wrong.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by BbzzbB »

cpeterso wrote: post #302

Here is Adam Mosseri, "Head of Instagram at Instagram", talking about why Instagram is leaning into Reels videos: https://twitter.com/mosseri/status/1551890839584088065 He says users are using Reels more, even though they say they don't want Reels. Replies say content creators are reluctantly making Reels because the algorithm favors Reels over regular posts. Ironically, he posted this on Twitter (as a video) because…

He has obviously posted it on both Instagram and Twitter.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by andsoitis »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #477
dreamcompiler wrote: post #264

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> Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers. You and I aren't Facebook's users; we are the ore Facebook has been mining at a cost approaching zero for over a decade and selling at a huge markup to its actual customers. But now the mine is playing out. We no longer cost Facebook zero to mine and the advertisers are beginning to realize t…

> one day they will simply slink away in the middle of the night leaving several thousand mine workers unemployed and holding the bag. When that day comes, the moment Facebook and Meta are declared dead I will go out, order the most expensive bottle of champagne, and celebrate all night. Future generations of an advanced technological society will look back in horror and disbelief that a small cadre of privateers wer…

> dominating the cultural communications of billions of people

I think it is much worse than dominating. Let me try: as a FB user, your "communication" with your network is not only mediated by FB, but actively manipulated to such a degree that you're no longer communicating directly with individuals in your network. When we give up the ability or the pattern of communicating directly with each other, bad shit happens.

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Post by AlexandrB »

parkingrift wrote: post #475

Can someone please explain to me why Facebook shouldn’t be treated as a news publisher? They are now outright choosing what content to show you. This is indistinguishable from opinion or freelance journalism sites. Facebook is now explicitly deciding which content to allow, editorializing content at will, and dictating the content that you see. Looks like a news publisher. Sounds like a news publisher. Acts like a ne…

Agree completely. If you want Section 230 protection, present posts chronologically or based on some user-chosen criteria. If you want to "curate" people's feeds based on some opaque algorithm you should not be able to hide behind Section 230 when people complain about the results.

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Post by stevage »

rightbyte wrote: post #385
caseyross wrote: post #145

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It really is weird, isn't it? To have what was essentially a solved problem 10 years ago become... what you described. On Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/LinkedIn, I still have tons of people I'd be interesting in passively keeping up with. Maybe even actively, sometimes. But all that latent sociality is increasingly just dead out of the gate, seeing as I no longer use any of those platforms regularly. My closest friends,…

Interesting take. Me and my friends also moved to group chats. Probably unconsciously to avoid the intrusion. I guess FB overextended by invading out feeds with ads and "recommendations" rather than gossip about friends.

Me too, accelerated by lockdowns. I love it. I'm so much more connected to them than I ever was through FB. Mostly just text. Banter.

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Post by mib32 »

xwdv wrote: post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

You should try telegram. Can make your own channel there and share with close friends

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Post by seydor »

hiptobecubic wrote: post #140

I feel like half the comments here about "facebook dying" and how "facebook can't compete with tiktok" are missing the big picture about facebook. For a lot of people, facebook basically is the internet. The same way AOL was a long time ago. Everyone they want to talk to as they go about their day is there. Basically every business in the US that bothers with an online presence at all either has a facebook page or ex…

Ok so? Those people may leave the internet altogether, and very little cultural value will be lost

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by andsoitis »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #506
hgazx wrote: post #494

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It’s not that profound. Humans have become addicted to sharing every moment of their lives through social media, and then watching what other people have shared. Most people no longer have time to themselves since they feel like if they don’t share what they are doing they aren’t doing anything. And if they aren’t doing anything they have to keep up with others (FOMO). Meta will only disappear when someone else creat…

> People have become addicted to sharing every moment of their lives through social media So, pretty much "option 3". A social shift. > Meta will only disappear when someone else creates an even more engaging and therefore malignant platform. I agree that there has been a profound change in "western" culture, and about a third of all the world are in this space (a staggering three billion people!). But I disagree tha…

I don't know that fashion or cultural norms (e.g. hat wearing) are of the same fleetingness as deeper human behaviors like FOMO, narcissism, vanity, etc. These seem so deeply ingrained and transcending hundreds of years that I think it does likely point us in a certain direction.

One might label it a flaw in human evolution (even though it might have had positive selection pressure), something that can be "cured". Perhaps.

> Do all sick people and addicts remain sick and addicted forever? Or do they recover?

I don't know that any significant number of addicts, let alone many or most, ever "recover". But I also don't know that they don't. My money is on the former until we deeply understand addiction and can cure it.

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