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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

> There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing.

Is this something that people really want to do though... I did that for a bit back when fb was still new but quickly and I mean quickly fell off the habit and stopped using fb.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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post #74

It’s crazy to think the social media era may finally be ending. There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Everything is about feeding you content you didn’t ask for but may be targeted enough to catch your attention. And for what? To show you some ads here and there? To collect data that can be used to… sell more ads and products?…

> There’s really no viable platform anymore where you can just go passively keep up with what friends and acquaintances are doing. Is this something that people really want to do though... I did that for a bit back when fb was still new but quickly and I mean quickly fell off the habit and stopped using fb.

Yes, otherwise it’s basically back to the dark age where I have no idea what other people are doing because I have no close friends.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, why is creole being referenced here? Is this an inside joke/reference I'm not familiar with? Is it a typo? Edit: Thank you all for the replies. I am aware of and respectful of the literal definition. The usage on the comment I responded to strikes me as either antiquated, inaccurate, or a typo.

You all need to get out of Silicon Valley. Creole languages, such as Jamaican are not only completely normal and exist, it's actually not antiquated if you look outside of the US. I do think you need to read more about this. You seem hung up on a singular meaning, which to me says a lot more about you than me. In this context, unless you're going to be obnoxiously pandentic, creole simply means "a bunch of words and…

Yeah, and you used it in a way that made it sound derogatory.

"Creole bullshit"

I expect the Yankees and the city folk to do this unintentionally, but not one of our own.

I have never lived in Silicon Valley.

My parents are from N'awlins (New Orleans, Louisiana).

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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post #28

All the platforms have their own TikTok style mechanism now. YouTube has Shorts, Facebook has its Reels feature which is tightly integrated with Instagram and you need an Instagram account to engage with Reels on Facebook, which is a bit of a growth hacker dark pattern. For now, Reels is not interspersed with ADs which is refreshing, but that could all change. The whole vertical video craze is a weird one, and one I’…

I feel that Facebook really hurts lots of small organization. They fell into a trap of using a free website...instead of building up their own members, email lists, content.

For instance lots of birders post their pictures to Facebook, it helps to connect with people and get tips about birding locations. But...at the cost of depth. The pictures look good, but you don't learn very much about nature. It's like fast food, not nutritious.

It also sucks the air out of the room, and prevents other sites from growing. Sites that could grow into something more useful.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Did Facebook ever really need to become such a behemoth? Could they not have been mildly profitable just hosting pictures and helping people stay connected? Would it have been impossible for them to simply keep operating without capitalism's Blob-like need for growth at all costs?

Facebook was at its most useful when everyone was on it. They didn't need to buy everything but they did need to be worldwide.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

To quote the article Facebook really has "unleashed waves of democratic empowerment" among the youth in certain countries where democracy is not present or is under serious assault and the domestic media is censored. If some random dictatorship has strict anti-speech laws Meta is way more lax about following them than the domestic media (who are just going to get arrested if they don't). This really has created a generation of young people in some places who have a less censored view of the world and have a more pro-democratic, pro-egalitarian, anti-dictatorship bent. The only people who miss this are the ones whose reality is generally confined to an e.g. US-only point of view where democracy is secure and stable and the only "threats" to it are basically a joke, like the whole panic over January 6, and you've never seen tanks roll into the capital and depose your elected officials.

In countries where real threats to democracy like that exist, Facebook and Twitter have played a huge role in communicating suppressed information, aiding protest organization, etc. and by and large the kids are into it.

As for a pivot to a Tiktok-style experience -- that's a hard pass for me, it's like mixing cocaine with television. The kids are into that too and it's pretty scary to watch them switch off their brains, set aside their humanity and obediently wait for the ML algorithm's function calls to twitch_human_thumb() that arise every few seconds. Of course people were saying something similar about MTV, remote controls and the boob tube back in the day and somehow we survived...

Ultimately if you're Meta and the government tells you it's OK for you to sell cocaine, after all they're OK with your Chinese competitor importing it -- who are you to say no?

Under the current climate my only confusion is why we haven't let Coke reintroduce their namesake ingredient to their formula. Or to use your example yes I could totally see Taco Bell lacing their meat with drugs if it was allowed!

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

#108
post #28

All the platforms have their own TikTok style mechanism now. YouTube has Shorts, Facebook has its Reels feature which is tightly integrated with Instagram and you need an Instagram account to engage with Reels on Facebook, which is a bit of a growth hacker dark pattern. For now, Reels is not interspersed with ADs which is refreshing, but that could all change. The whole vertical video craze is a weird one, and one I’…

> I want the slow web back where I can chew on long form content and mull over large pieces of text and long winded podcasts… It is what you make it, really. I watch YouTubers who make long videos, go deep diving on subjects which have no real use in my daily life and have very, very few apps on my phone — all but one are something which makes my life easier than not having it and the exception is because I want to b…

I did this because my relationship to social media was unhealthy, and now it feels much better.

Hacker news, because duh.

Instagram is for softcore porn.

Facebook I deleted years ago, no regrets. (I'm aware they own Instagram, and I don't care. This is just a personal issue for me.)

Tiktok I watch funny videos when people send them to me, I feel no need to install an app.

Twitter, I read tweets when people link to them, and every time Twitter reminds me why I'm glad I don't use Twitter.

I understand why other people use them, and some people can do it in a healthy way, but for me, this is the absolute maximum I can use social media without losing myself.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

>Maybe you can still order the if you know to ask for it, but most people won't, and they'll leave disappointed instead of getting what they wanted.

You just described In&Out

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Wouldn't a consequence of this be that Facebook would be losing users in drovers? And yet the data seem to disagree. This is a type of take that feels very "inside baseball" and fueled more by the feelings of its proponents than any kind of empiricism.

Users who believe they can get something out of Facebook that speaks to their vanities or insecurities will ignore being disrespected or not cared about by the platform. Moreover, many of those users will accept the terms because their use of the platform is free. Some users might be consciously aware of the fact that the disrespect and lack of caring is mutual, and accept it that way. "Facebook doesn't respect me or…

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