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Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by malwarebytess »

I have a Tesla (M3.) But it's stories like these that will make my next electric not a Tesla.

From the failure to deliver FSD, to the inability to quickly fix their out-of-factory fitment problems, to anti-customer policies like these they're quickly souring in my mind.

At least the car is a blast to drive.

edit: FWIW looks like Tesla decided to do the right thing,

> While I don't think it's ideal to need a huge social media push to get things accomplished, thanks to the momentum this thread has generated it seems like we've got a path forward with Tesla towards getting this taken care of the right way.

https://twitter.com/wk057/status/1551986133780889602

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by kube-system »

pkulak wrote: post #37
nr2x wrote: post #13

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Well said, I’m potentially in the market for a car and this is like reason #5 I’m ruling out Tesla.

Same, though there were about a dozen previous reasons, starting with "pedo guy". This won't help, but I was pretty much long gone as a customer.

I occasionally do business with people who are probably assholes to other people.

I don't do business with people who are assholes to their customers.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by datavirtue »

balls187 wrote: post #261
thaumasiotes wrote: post #176

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Well, I own a Dell gaming PC. It came with the "Alienware Command Center" installed. I suspect it may be an Alienware PC. If so, why wouldn't we call it that?

> I suspect it may be an Alienware PC. If so, why wouldn't we call it that? You could call it an Alienware PC. My question: Would it be ethical for you to represent it as an Alienware PC, and sell it as an Alienware PC by purposefully attempt pass it off by changing the appearance to make it look like an Alienware PC? To add to the gray area: Say DELL XPS 1000 and Alienware 90210 are essentially the same machine, sav…

Good idea. Tesla should make the badges out of little screens.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by dimitrios1 »

thereddaikon wrote: post #284
jabbany wrote: post #227

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> no, they can't lock it down to 3080 level 3 years later with a software update I think the problem is that there are 2 different types of "can't": can't as in technologically impossible, and can't as in legally disallowed. In the past, the former was usually the case. Vendors literally could not technologically take away features because things either were not controlled by software or software could not tell the h…

>Heck, they could even cut down all legitimate 3080Tis to what would be 3080 or even 1060 performance via drivers after 3 years and you'd be able to do nothing besides complain on social media -- you still have exactly the amount of hardware sold, and they never promised any performance levels (just check their site, you only get things like compute units, clock speed, ram etc. not performance guarantees like FLOPs o…

> We need a way for the legal system do deal with these kinds of things that don't involve actually going to the over worked and too expensive courts to settle it.

Arbitration?

Could also gather a class. Unless if we are saying the argument is we shouldn't have to do these things. I agree, this is true. We also don't have to purchase Teslas if they indeed do these types of things on the regular.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by panopticon »

alexmr wrote: post #319
panopticon wrote: post #52

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I bought an EV earlier this year. I ended up with a LR Model 3 because the dealership model really sucks still. I called Hyundai and VW dealerships in the tri-state area around me, and none of them could say when I'd be able to actually get a car. Instead I went to Tesla's website, placed an order, and got an ETA. Super simple; loved that experience. If it weren't for the crappy dealership model I probably would have…

Tesla buying experience is way better but the ETAs are famously off. Mine has been pushed back 4-5 times and always about 3-4 weeks before it's due to get delivered, so it's impossible to plan around.

Yeah, the ETA wasn't incredibly important to me for planning purposes. It was just nice to know that I was getting in . As opposed to "keep calling and maybe we'll have a Hyundai Ioniq allocated to us that'll arrive a month or two after, oh an enjoy your $10k 'market rate adjustment' to the MSRP."

Fwiw my car was delivered in the middle half of the original ETA, but I know that others have had lots of issues with their ETAs.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by onethought »

mikestew wrote: post #194
Zigurd wrote: post #142

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I hear this a lot about Tesla: "I would have chosen a Tesla, but now..." But now, your choices are among legacy car makers and their dealer networks, which were never a joy to interact with most of whom, Hyundai and maybe Nissan excepted, are just bringing out their first serious EVs. Yeah, Tesla is overhyped. But their competition mostly, still, sucks. Nobody has, and nobody will for at least another year or two, ma…

But now, your choices are among legacy car makers and their dealer networks... Are you assuming that this is news to the naysayers? Or maybe the naysayers are fully-informed, and they still say, "I'd rather deal with a traditional dealer than buy a Tesla"? Because that's what this naysayer is saying: better to deal with the devil I know...

But for instance, most people aren’t familiar with the outright corruption the Hyundai leadership/owners enjoy in Korea. Because they don’t tweet about it, and actively cover it up. Their owners embezzle money, bribe officials… makes Elon look like a saint.

So i’d posit, you actually don’t know that particular devil.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by kube-system »

AinderS wrote: post #254
cameronh90 wrote: post #219

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In the UK, many modifications are restricted. For example, if I was to replace my halogen car headlights with LED ones, the car would be technically illegal, uninsured and fail inspection (if they notice). Exhausts can't be noisier than factory, which means in practice all aftermarket sports exhausts are illegal. At some point, I assume modifying drive-by-wire systems will become legally restricted.

You are talking about something subtly but crucially different. Replacing your headlights is not illegal, only the type of headlight you use is legally restricted. Modification itself is not legally restricted, only the end result.

Yeah, a better example is modifications to homes. Those are restricted in many places in the US. I can't replace a circuit in my homes wiring, even if I follow every code.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by onethought »

HWR_14 wrote: post #276
Zigurd wrote: post #142

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I hear this a lot about Tesla: "I would have chosen a Tesla, but now..." But now, your choices are among legacy car makers and their dealer networks, which were never a joy to interact with most of whom, Hyundai and maybe Nissan excepted, are just bringing out their first serious EVs. Yeah, Tesla is overhyped. But their competition mostly, still, sucks. Nobody has, and nobody will for at least another year or two, ma…

In Ford's case, a dealer network with no ability to negotiate (Ford told them the pricing was fixed) so there goes the biggest complaint. Other than that, I get a local business I can sue if something goes wrong and regulated by local authorities. Sounds better to me!

Dealer isn’t responsible for the product itself, you could only sue them for servicing and delivery failures.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by chiefalchemist »

sandworm101 wrote: post #242
landryraccoon wrote: post #168

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I think the main issue as a consumer is, do I trust Tesla to try to provide me with the best experience? Or are they going to squeeze me and hit me with "aha, gotcha! you should have read the fine print!" every time there's an issue? As a consumer, it's extremely expensive to remain well informed. I want to purchase from brands where I feel that the company wants me to be happy, ESPECIALLY with such a premium brand a…

Then stick to buying Hondas and BMWs. There is a great ad about a farmer bringing in his 100 year-old Porsche tractor to a current Porsche car dealer for service. That is true to life. Those who want a multi-decade relationship with a manufacturer don't buy from the likes of Tesla. They have not yet earned access to that customer base. Ask Tesla to fix your classic Tesla from decades past and they would probably laug…

> Then stick to buying Hondas and BMWs...

> Tesla has no respect for such concepts.

Agreed. But it doesn't help that consumers have accepted faux-trust (i.e., marketing) for real Trust.

The key to real Trust is simple: It's earn. It can't be ordered. Demanded. Come from nothing. Be bought. Etc.

The irony here is, trust for Tesla is based on trust for other like (read: premium) auto brands. But in the end, it hasn't been earned. And it shows.

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