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Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by bgirard »

sjm-lbm wrote: post #63
bgirard wrote: post #7

> Car is sold twice since, and now has a new owner (my customer). It says 90, badged 90, has 90-type range. When they bought the car from the 3rd party, did they buy it as a P60 or a P90? Did someone mis-represent the car when sold? Was it Tesla or the previous owner? Was the badge on the back changed to P90? That doesn't sound like a 'mistake' Tesla would make when making a warranty repair. Curial information here i…

> If the previous owner misrepresented the car as a P90 and modified the badge then it's on them. I'm not entirely sure if I agree with this - they didn't just modify the badge, they also provided the additional rage from a P90. As a thought experiment: if I sell you a BMW 328i as a 340i but I also swap the engine and sell it with the additional power that comes with that change, have I misled you? Perhaps - I'm hone…

The key of this issue here is that there's a software lock that's been incorrectly unlocked. So it's a reasonable assumption that it might become locked again in the future. Regardless of the product, I believe that morally it needs to be disclosed to the buyer so that they can be aware of the risk and factor that into their buying decision and pricing.

> I don't think selling a car with a P90 badge that also includes the modifications needed to have that car act as a P90 is automatically wrong.

Neither do I. I'm okay with 'Here's my P60, that Tesla accidentally unlocked.' but not 'Here's my P90'.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by crooked-v »

speedgoose wrote: post #108
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #35

Reason 547 why you should not connect your car to the internet. Today it is limiting range because mistake several years ago, tomorrow it will be mandatory ads every time when you start a car.

It’s convenient though. You get live traffic data, international radio in high quality, maps with background pictures, music and video streaming, the possibility to pre-heat or pre-cool the car while walking to it and a few other things.

On the other hand, with CarPlay/Android Auto I can get 95% of that without needing to depend on the usually-shitty infotainment software.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by neaden »

chrisseaton wrote: post #109
balls187 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny enough, it was test driving a Tesla that got me interested in getting an EV as my next vehicle. And like many, Musk's behavior has dissuaded me from purchasing one, and instead likely a Ford.

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Well he has also been dead for 75 years, so people are less concerned with his personal beliefs and actions.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by HWR_14 »

zcw100 wrote: post #48

So the way I'm reading the post is Tesla swapped out a battery pack for a 60 with a 90 and enabled the 90. Tesla, years later, discovers that even though the hardware for a 90 was installed it should have been software limited to be a 60. (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90). They go and "fix the glitch" and set it back to the 60. Sin…

> Presumably this cost them a fortune to do it in the first place. Why not get some good will out of it? "Hey sorry about your battery. We only had a 90 so we threw that in there.

As I understand it, all batteries are the same size. They are just software locked. So no additional costs.

It's the same as how Tesla remote unlocked the battery life of people fleeing natural disasters. Which means not only is it there, it's charged.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by Nextgrid »

seeekr wrote: post #61

Last update on Twitter: "While I don't think it's ideal to need a huge social media push to get things accomplished, thanks to the momentum this thread has generated it seems like we've got a path forward with Tesla towards getting this taken care of the right way." Tesla is a big company by now. Probably a lot more people working there in Service Centers than in the core manufacturing & engineering. Hard to get ever…

This just makes it worse - it basically means that the only way to get adequate service for your car is to get lucky on social media.

> Tesla is a big company by now. Probably a lot more people working there in Service Centers than in the core manufacturing & engineering. Hard to get everything right

Sorry but if you don't have the capacity to attend to every single customer request, maybe don't fuck with their cars remotely, and especially not a couple years after the original mistake?

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by HWR_14 »

balls187 wrote: post #86
gambiting wrote: post #56

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>> (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90) It says right there that it was done under warranty. If my RTX3080 breaks, and Nvidia sends me a 3080Ti as a replacement(because maybe they don't have any 3080 in stock) then no, they can't lock it down to 3080 level 3 years later with a software update. And yes, I'm allowed to sell it on as a 3…

> If my RTX3080 breaks, and Nvidia sends me a 3080Ti as a replacement(because maybe they don't have any 3080 in stock) then no, they can't lock it down to 3080 level 3 years later with a software update. And yes, I'm allowed to sell it on as a 3080Ti, because....that's what it is. What if it's a 3080Ti PCB but inside a RTX3080 card? Is it ethical to sell it as a 3080Ti? What about an RTX3080 Card that Nvidia drivers…

The proper analogy is that your Alienware breaks, and Alienware replaces your RTX3080 with a 3080Ti. When you resell it, you can and should identify it as an Alienware with a 3080Ti.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by gzer0 »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #70
panopticon wrote: post #52

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I bought an EV earlier this year. I ended up with a LR Model 3 because the dealership model really sucks still. I called Hyundai and VW dealerships in the tri-state area around me, and none of them could say when I'd be able to actually get a car. Instead I went to Tesla's website, placed an order, and got an ETA. Super simple; loved that experience. If it weren't for the crappy dealership model I probably would have…

I have seen quite a few Ioniq's around. They seem to have just hit the streets. I have also been seeing various flavors of BMW electrics, for some time. A chap around here, owns one of those BMW electric "supercar" looking things (i8?). I don't know him, personally.

One thing to note about BMW is that they are heading in a direction that is not going to be good for anyone if the entire industry adopts it.

An $18/month subscription for heated seats. This is quite frankly absurd. And I know, Tesla is the one that started it (partially), but for things such as heated seats, this is taking it completely to the next level.

Soon enough we will start seeing microtransactions to even turn the car on? Not a good look for the automotive industry as a whole and shame on BMW for this.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/14/business/bmw-subscription/ind...

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by balls187 »

neaden wrote: post #133
chrisseaton wrote: post #109

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Well he has also been dead for 75 years, so people are less concerned with his personal beliefs and actions.

Bill Burr speaks about this in his latest special, that Coco Chanel slept with nazi officers during WW2, and that she did what she felt she had to survive.

He also goes on to talk about John Wayne and Sean Connery in equally deliteful manner.

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