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Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by gnicholas »

renewiltord wrote: post #64
gnicholas wrote: post #16

How can a potential buyer verify that a used Tesla they are considering purchasing is not subject to some sort of pullback like this? I feel like there's an information asymmetry between the used car buyer (who has likely never owned a Tesla before, and certainly doesn't know the history of the vehicle he's considering purchasing), the seller (who may specifically be aware that the car appears to have functionality t…

Hmm, the Carfax report for the car should show it as what it is originally, right? All features that are not in that should then be considered absent. But that's not a complete list. FSD, etc. won't transfer either. You're right. This would be a useful page on some Tesla owners' wiki.

It's bigger than just Tesla. Someone should make a site with a checklist for the type of car you're buying, so you know what to ask about. And then have a contract that the seller signs indicating what he paid for and if it will transfer. Think BMW heated seats, for example.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by kranke155 »

bambax wrote: post #80

> To be extra clear, I don't post this stuff because I hate Tesla or anything. In fact, it's just the opposite. I hate seeing Tesla derail themselves with this kind of nonsense. I respect the OP for saying this. But I have a hard time respecting people buying Teslas, or anything from Musk. Is it not obvious that the guy is a charlatan? (and that the fish rots from the head?) How likely is it that you won't be robbed…

Tim Dillon said it best.

“I met him and guy is a genius. But he’s also a carnival barker.”

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by NullPrefix »

zcw100 wrote: post #48

So the way I'm reading the post is Tesla swapped out a battery pack for a 60 with a 90 and enabled the 90. Tesla, years later, discovers that even though the hardware for a 90 was installed it should have been software limited to be a 60. (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90). They go and "fix the glitch" and set it back to the 60. Sin…

>It says 90, badged 90, has 90-type range.

Tweet author said it's badged 90

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by jdgoesmarching »

gambiting wrote: post #56
zcw100 wrote: post #48

So the way I'm reading the post is Tesla swapped out a battery pack for a 60 with a 90 and enabled the 90. Tesla, years later, discovers that even though the hardware for a 90 was installed it should have been software limited to be a 60. (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90). They go and "fix the glitch" and set it back to the 60. Sin…

>> (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90) It says right there that it was done under warranty. If my RTX3080 breaks, and Nvidia sends me a 3080Ti as a replacement(because maybe they don't have any 3080 in stock) then no, they can't lock it down to 3080 level 3 years later with a software update. And yes, I'm allowed to sell it on as a 3…

Exactly this. Warranty replacements aren’t a new concept, and I have a feeling if this were any other brand HN wouldn’t be so insistent on taking a step back and thinking about who else besides Tesla can be blamed when customers get the short end of the stick.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by balls187 »

gambiting wrote: post #56
zcw100 wrote: post #48

So the way I'm reading the post is Tesla swapped out a battery pack for a 60 with a 90 and enabled the 90. Tesla, years later, discovers that even though the hardware for a 90 was installed it should have been software limited to be a 60. (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90). They go and "fix the glitch" and set it back to the 60. Sin…

>> (I'm assuming that Tesla only made the owner pay the cost of the 60 battery swap even though they replaced it with a 90) It says right there that it was done under warranty. If my RTX3080 breaks, and Nvidia sends me a 3080Ti as a replacement(because maybe they don't have any 3080 in stock) then no, they can't lock it down to 3080 level 3 years later with a software update. And yes, I'm allowed to sell it on as a 3…

> If my RTX3080 breaks, and Nvidia sends me a 3080Ti as a replacement(because maybe they don't have any 3080 in stock) then no, they can't lock it down to 3080 level 3 years later with a software update. And yes, I'm allowed to sell it on as a 3080Ti, because....that's what it is.

What if it's a 3080Ti PCB but inside a RTX3080 card? Is it ethical to sell it as a 3080Ti?

What about an RTX3080 Card that Nvidia drivers mistakenly identify as a 3080Ti and enable additional 3080Ti cores (ignore how technically innaccurate that may be)?

Reminds me of this video from LTT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZ32mqmsrg

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by rvz »

> Ransoms car owner remotely...

Well, as expected and unsurprising. [0] It isn't your car. You don't own it and it has a backdoor straight to Tesla inc.

Especially this magnificent and well (badly) aged comment in [0]

   "TESla OwNErs likE THiS BAcKdoOR abIlITY."
I don't think the comments here now would like a backdoor talking straight to Tesla so that they can disable features and hold your car to ransoms like this.

No thanks and no deal.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29624703

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by bambax »

Verdex wrote: post #75
TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #35

Reason 547 why you should not connect your car to the internet. Today it is limiting range because mistake several years ago, tomorrow it will be mandatory ads every time when you start a car.

Verdex presents: A Plausible Future Driver: Okay Car are you ready to go? Car: Sure thing driver, let's just hook up to the T-Network. Okay, we're in! Where's our destination? D: Well, first thing is that I'm going to want a Mocha Frappe from the local Starbucks. C: Sounds great! Off we go. D: Wait, Car what are we doing at McDonalds? C: McDonald's offers a wide variety of cafe style drinks at competitive prices. Thi…

Very good. Not only will your car try to control you, it will also fail to do it properly.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by oangemangut »

panopticon wrote: post #52
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A year ago, I would have chosen a new Tesla, hands down (disclosure: I am probably not gonna actually buy an EV for as many years as I can eke out of my trusty Subie). Nowadays, I have chatted with numerous folks that have purchased alternative EVs. The Tesla owners still seem the giddiest (There's a lot of 'em around here), but I have not heard one ounce of buyer's remorse from any of the other brands. The one that…

I bought an EV earlier this year. I ended up with a LR Model 3 because the dealership model really sucks still. I called Hyundai and VW dealerships in the tri-state area around me, and none of them could say when I'd be able to actually get a car. Instead I went to Tesla's website, placed an order, and got an ETA. Super simple; loved that experience. If it weren't for the crappy dealership model I probably would have…

It's not just the ETAs that are pushing me away, but just the entire dealership process generally is annoying. I wanted to order a vehicle from GM and I have tried close at least 10 dealerships at this point in the PNW. No one is straight up on the process of either getting an order in or what pricing will look like or when they might get an allocation. Some just say "sure, you're on the list" but who knows what that even means. One dealership (Bellingham, WA) wanted 25K deposit to even take an order.

I basically gave up on that vehicle not because I can't wait or am not willing to play the price, but the BS process of going through one of these dealerships is too infuriating. Rivian I put my order in and at least I have an order date and understand that I'm in the queue and should be sometime MY24. If Cadillac came out with the exact same process as Rivian and it said I could get my vehicle ordered and enqueued for 12month deliver I would do it.

Re: Tesla remotely converts battery pack, cutting 1/3 of range

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Post by colechristensen »

bambax wrote: post #80

> To be extra clear, I don't post this stuff because I hate Tesla or anything. In fact, it's just the opposite. I hate seeing Tesla derail themselves with this kind of nonsense. I respect the OP for saying this. But I have a hard time respecting people buying Teslas, or anything from Musk. Is it not obvious that the guy is a charlatan? (and that the fish rots from the head?) How likely is it that you won't be robbed…

He oversells it a bit much (what startup doesn't? it's also a method for success) but I wouldn't call him a charlatan. The companies he's run have accomplished quite a lot.
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