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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by Forgeties79 »

emn13 wrote: post #186
JackFr wrote: post #158

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> If your friends and family are on Facebook, your work contacts across the country are on Twitter, the only forums left alive on the web are on Reddit, how can you not need them? You can absolutely step away from them and it’s not even hard. Call, text or email your friends and family. It’s far more intimate and frankly more satisfying. You lose the ability to broadcast a curated persona, but honestly in the grand s…

I did this for years. I regret it. It's overly simplistic to think this works well. The devil is in the details; and being a decent human being also means adapting to other's wishes, needs and habits. Being a small-scale dictator about modes of communication isn't great. You _will_ miss out of valuable personal communication if you choose to go this route. It's not just about an online curated persona.

> Being a small-scale dictator about modes of communication isn't great.

Oh come now, isn’t this a little dramatic?

If I was forcing them to use one app I want in order to stay in touch you’d have a point, but isn’t that also functionally what you’re saying we should have to deal with? Meeting someone all the way, only on ONE mode of communication they demand?

This also doesn’t address how niche this situation is. There can’t be that many people who can only talk to their family on Facebook messenger. This can’t possibly be a major issue.

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Post by swayvil »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #560
swayvil wrote: post #324

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They need to crowdsource the moderation job. Something like voting and flagging but cleverer. Of course this might deprive them of the ability to censor at will.

Why would crowdsourcing be more reliable than initial NN filtering? And of course, let's consider application bias: do you think the reasonable folks would volunteer to moderate twitter, or only the people who think it's a way for them to manipulate the content that shows up on the platform?

They volunteer to vote just fine. Could a moderation system be built on that?

I mean, you vote. And the people you vote also vote. And those you vote highly can maybe be trusted to vote accurately and so on. A lot could be done with that voting data.

And maybe you could even get them to vote twice or something.

What we're shooting for is totally user driven (because moderation can't be trusted) and low effort (because users are lazy)

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

nurettin wrote: post #555
lapcat wrote: post #391

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How do you judge what's work and what's not work? For many people, such as the self-employed, their online presence is part of their brand, and Twitter is professional networking. This applies to both Craig and myself.

It is very easy unless shitposting is your dayjob.

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Post by fortran77 »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #519
fortran77 wrote: post #441

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I've seen people that had contrary, skeptical, positions on Sudden Onset Gender Dysphoria get deplatformed by hosting providers.

Good.

I disagree with you. According to you, that means I shouldn't be able to speak.

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Post by stiltzkin »

znpy wrote: post #376
stiltzkin wrote: post #340

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ENS (web3 domains), mirror.xyz (publishing), shibuya.xyz (video content), sunflower land (gamefi), membership nfts (bayc). There are more used cases that are experimental. But "broken links" is why I do not take HN users seriously about web3.

Web3 domains, lollerplex. It took 25 years to start seeing some adoption in the ipv4 to ipv6 transition, and we’re nowhere close to finalising said transition… if you think dns is going away because of the blockchain then i can start laughing way sooner.

ENS is not for replacing DNS, apples and oranges.

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Post by dorkwood »

account42 wrote: post #554
dorkwood wrote: post #547

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Wow, thanks for this, but unfortunately I disabled all those emails in the past.

Then your best option is to move to EU (or other regions with adequate consumer protections) and send a Art. 17 GDPR request. That or try to get your local government to better advocate for you. Probably neither is a very realistic option for your but I'm glad that at least some places are starting to look out of tech users even if we still need a lot more.

Damn, I lived in Belgium two years ago. What a missed opportunity!

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Post by stiltzkin »

Nextgrid wrote: post #348
stiltzkin wrote: post #340

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ENS (web3 domains), mirror.xyz (publishing), shibuya.xyz (video content), sunflower land (gamefi), membership nfts (bayc). There are more used cases that are experimental. But "broken links" is why I do not take HN users seriously about web3.

> membership nfts (bayc) I have a problem with this one - the membership is supposed to give you access to events/etc hosted by BAYC, so in this case they are the trusted party and can run a database. The blockchain doesn't seem like it adds anything here because ultimately BAYC can choose to deny entry for any reason. Furthermore, how do they handle the case where a membership NFT is stolen or acquired illegitimatel…

> I have a problem with this one - the membership is supposed to give you access to events/etc hosted by BAYC, so in this case they are the trusted party and can run a database.

Ethereum blockchain is the database, BAYC can't delete, modify or censor any BAYC users.

> Furthermore, how do they handle the case where a membership NFT is stolen or acquired illegitimately? Do they still honor the stolen NFT and let the thief in? Do they blacklist the NFT and re-mint a new one to give to the original owner? Etc.

That's a good question and it already happened, I do not have an answer for that.

> at which point a lot of the blockchain's perks no longer apply and a database starts making more sense.

Getting a BAYC is as simple as transfering an NFT from one wallet to another, mint it with a wallet on BAYC website or buy it on a centralized or decentralized market place, anywhere in the world. There is no database with this type of frictionless.

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Post by stiltzkin »

debrice wrote: post #359
stiltzkin wrote: post #340

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ENS (web3 domains), mirror.xyz (publishing), shibuya.xyz (video content), sunflower land (gamefi), membership nfts (bayc). There are more used cases that are experimental. But "broken links" is why I do not take HN users seriously about web3.

I think there is a form of exhaustion regarding how crypto and Web 3 is supposed to resolve many things that seem to be working just well enough. I understand that innovations do happen but the complexities (like smart contracts), the limitations of an append only database (that only store transactions and signatures), the damage done to our environment (CO2), the impact on electronic availability (video card shortag…

> the criminal uses of crypto

The criminal uses cases on traditional bank are still not solved. With any open source technology you can not block criminals of using it.

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Post by eckesicle »

didibus wrote: post #540
eckesicle wrote: post #515

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Your comparison falls short though, because there's not really a historical equivalent we can compare to. Being banned from social media is not like being thrown out of a pub by a bouncer. It's like being thrown out of every pub, nightclub, and church by the bouncer. If I may take an example from my own life: if I were to be banned from WhatsApp, I would not be able to * take part in my son's school group and social…

I understand the impact difference could be argued, but some places the local community center or pub would also be the home to most of those. And similarly, it depends on the choice each of these groups make, like to all be on Whatsapp, some could be on Telegram, on Hangouts, on Facebook, etc. Nevertheless, I think you're right, scale is different and maybe that needs different rules because of that. Though, scale m…

To give you just one example as to why it would have an outsize impact on my life. All parent association and much communication from school comes over a WhatsApp group with ~60 parents in it. If I were to be excluded then my son would miss out on lots of important information about upcoming events like birthday parties. It would be difficult for me to convince the parents of every other child to send their birthday invite especially to me by MMS or some other means. I participate in a handful of such groups. My sports club for example, certainly wouldn't inconvenience everyone by shifting to Signal or some other service just because I got banned from WhatsApp.

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Post by parasubvert »

account42 wrote: post #551
ahtihn wrote: post #316

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Twitter is entitled to deny service to anyone for any reason. Why should there be compensation for "accidental" bans?

Do you really think it is the best interest of society to give megacorporations free reign to dictate who can use our most popular communication platforms that have captured the market to the extend that many are only reachible via those platforms. We don't let electricity and water companies just cut people off because some machine learning algorithm though those people did soemthing wrong. If twitter does not want…

Yes, it is in the best interests of society to let these corporations run their businesses without regulating speech and associations. That becomes a really slippery slope, where the state starts saying what is & isn't allowed to be said, or who is or isn't allowed to be on a platform. A democratic & free government doesn't generally get to dictate what is said or who someone does business with except for national security reasons. Freedom of association is a pretty common right, even more than freedom of speech (which has limits).

The "capturing of the market" that some people are only reachable by that platform is nonsense. There are literally hundreds of physical and digital mediums of communication.

Facebook and Twitter are barely teenagers. Twitter is not doing well, and I wouldn't be surprised if it shrank to a niche in under a decade. Facebook as we know it also is not doing well, though they'll take longer.

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