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Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by dwighttk »

gilrain wrote: post #50
kdps wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation issue. In German, the expression "... und Co" is a synonym for et cetera.

Also a popular expression in English; there is no translation issue. More of a synonym for “et al” than “et cetera”.

Yeah I think the hard thing for me being in a headline is were they saying “Gmail and other gmail like email services”, or “gmail and other Google services”

I would sub “all Google cloud services” in for “Gmail and Co” if I were writing this headline (or just “Gmail” and mention the other stuff that was banned in the article.)

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by angio »

sidibe wrote: post #90
tirpen wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is there hard evidence of misuse of Gmail user data? Yes, the Snowden leaks. It doesn't matter whether Google themselves takes privacy seriously, they are a US company and therefor when handling personal information we must always assume that everything that is uploaded to their servers is sent straight to the NSA as well. Because that's what US law allows for. I'm not even exaggerating, according to the latest rul…

Pretty sure all the big players are working around that by hosting European things in their European data centers. But maybe the US government can pressure them to give that information up too in which case it would mean US companies that have or use private data shouldnt be allowed to operate in Europe

The CLOUD ACT was passed explicitly because Microsoft argued that data hosted on European servers was out of reach of the US government.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by hestefisk »

notimetorelax wrote: post #29
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #19

This is basically European protectionism under the guise of privacy. My guess is that within a few years (or even sooner), you will be reading about a massive breach of student data from whatever alternative they choose to go with.

Agree, I don’t understand how a non-judicial branch can attest that Google is not compliant. If they think so, they should sue. Otherwise it sounds as if a minister invested in a local alternative…

Because that’s not how it works in continental Europe. Our system is a lot less litigious and relies on regulation rather than litigation.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by TillE »

gilrain wrote: post #50
kdps wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation issue. In German, the expression "... und Co" is a synonym for et cetera.

Also a popular expression in English; there is no translation issue. More of a synonym for “et al” than “et cetera”.

Trust me, it is far far more popular in German, and would never be written as "and Co" in English.

In English, "& co." is used pretty much exclusively about people, whereas in German it's used literally everywhere, basically meaning "a category of things of which [this] is a famous example."

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by levesque »

kdps wrote: post #10
dwighttk wrote: post #4

“Co” seems to be Google cloud services… is that just a translation issue?

Translation issue. In German, the expression "... und Co" is a synonym for et cetera.

Except the language spoken in Denmark is Danish, not German.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by hkpack »

bluGill wrote: post #79
lrvick wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Schools have no place supporting or teaching proprietary software in the first place. They should teach concepts using publicly available software and sponsor students who wish to patch bugs that impact school operations.

Should need to teach how to think. Part of that means the ability to adopt to whatever tool. Thus schools should require students to use each of 4 different office system. O365 is only one of them, and LibreOffice is an obvious section choice (I'm have no idea what the others might be). tools come and go, but the concepts you are using the tools for stick around. I wasted a lot of time learning WordPerfect F-keys bac…

> Should need to teach how to think.

Do you know if there is any sort of consensus on this topic on how to do it?

It looks like a very popular belief, but do anyone actually knows how to think, and even more, how to teach how to think without making it just a different kind of propaganda?

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by gdhkgdhkvff »

lrvick wrote: post #28
dx034 wrote: post #12

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I'd have to disagree here. Teaching kids how to use Word and Excel will help them for the majority of office jobs out there.

Should we teach kids to use TikTok and Facebook so they will be better prepared to help with future office marketing tasks too? This line of thinking is poison and will only amplify the monopolisic power of whatever select companies make the taught-in-schools list. Proprietary technology has no place in educational institutions.

1. If basically all office jobs dealt with online marketing, then yes, we should teach facebook and TikTok in school. But almost no office jobs are related to marketing and so no we shouldn’t teach those tools. It’s an apples and oranges comparison.

2. Schools shouldn’t be trying to be in charge of shaping corporations. That isn’t and shouldn’t be a goal of teaching children.

3. That’s an arbitrary opinion you have. No text books either then? No published novels? No proprietary informational videos? Yes you COULD teach without these, but you would deliver a subpar experience. I’d again argue that schools shouldn’t be focusing on trying to push these moral ideals, they should be focusing on preparing our children for contributing to society in adulthood as much as possible.

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by moooo99 »

sidibe wrote: post #59
oellegaard wrote: post #47

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You might be confusing privacy with security here

Privacy implies security as well

But just because an application is secure does not necessitate that it is respecting privacy laws

Re: Denmark bans Gmail and Co from schools due to privacy concerns

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Post by sidibe »

angio wrote: post #102
sidibe wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure all the big players are working around that by hosting European things in their European data centers. But maybe the US government can pressure them to give that information up too in which case it would mean US companies that have or use private data shouldnt be allowed to operate in Europe

The CLOUD ACT was passed explicitly because Microsoft argued that data hosted on European servers was out of reach of the US government.

Ah well in that case it seems that no American company with private data should be allowed to do business in Europe if we look at the recent laws in Europe and this American one?
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