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Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)

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Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)

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Is it Asian? I'd assumed—with no real support whatsoever—that it was descended from Roman garum, a fermented fish sauce that's a lot closer .

Looking it up again (was relying on memory before), it was apparently specifically Indonesian kecaps that inspired both the sauce and it's name.

You rock mate, thank you

Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)

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> make your own ketchup sometime Any recipe you prefer? Also, fun fact, tomatoes are a new world plant. So, no ketchup in the EU until after trade between America and Europe was established.

Weird that you said 'the EU' rather than 'Europe'. But since you did I'll point out that there are several EU territories in America that would have had ketchup to begin with.

Mostly laziness... Should have said 'Europe' or 'Afro-Eurasia' instead.

Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)

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> Ketchup really just means a fruit based sauce No, it doesn't. > so it long preceded the arrival of the tomato. It did, but ketchups before tomato weren't necessarily fruit based. The original British version (and thus, the first American version, from which the other pre-tomato version derived) was mushroom based. Fruit, nut, egg, and bivalve-based versions all existed. (And the historical origin is in Asian fermen…

Is it Asian? I'd assumed—with no real support whatsoever—that it was descended from Roman garum, a fermented fish sauce that's a lot closer .

It's a weird quirk of history. Garum was forgotten for centuries, then the same basic concept reintroduced much later from Asia.

It still wasn't used quite the way garum was, but it did give rise to things like Worcestershire sauce, and various ketchups (fermented vegetable pastes). Tomato ketchup came much later, and it wasn't until Heinz perfected it that it reached the form that's ubiquitous now.

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