Looking at the images of the originals, the indentations do not seem as evenly spaced as one would expect if they used the "wheel". To me it looks like a simple stick, used 4 times, would be more appropriate for the job (and in line with the bread name). Just guessing though.
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Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> make your own ketchup sometime Any recipe you prefer? Also, fun fact, tomatoes are a new world plant. So, no ketchup in the EU until after trade between America and Europe was established.
.. and much more seriously: no red sauce in Italian foods.
Tomatoes crossed the Atlantic during the Spanish conquest, so the Italians had several hundred years to adapt to tomatoes.
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#23Looking at the images of the originals, the indentations do not seem as evenly spaced as one would expect if they used the "wheel". To me it looks like a simple stick, used 4 times, would be more appropriate for the job (and in line with the bread name). Just guessing though.
A lot of the fossilized loaves presented aren't even round - some of them don't even have 8 indentations!
I really don't like the wagon wheel theory.
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
After reading the further Wikipedia entry on the etymology of the term, it feels like it should be stressed more strongly that the etymology you quoted is not necessarily the strongest contender, but just one of a few that may or may not be correct.
Would you be specific as to what etymology you mean? I linked the extended discussion above. The Wiktionary page I linked to, as well as many other etymological pages on the web say what I did above. There are many things that could be true, but they do not all have the same likelihood. Even NPR [1] and the history channel [2] have pages on the etymology of ketchup. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12…
The wiktionary link earlier says to visit this for an extended discussion which provides a few more possible origins.
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#25I think I have also inadvertently recreated the "carbonized panis quadratus" in my home oven recently. Side note: pretty paranoid website owner to have disabled all text selection/copying functions (or overlaid it with a transparent object)...
Like most DRM, it inconveniences good-faith users and doesn't stop even casual attempts at theft. Just print the page to a PDF and all text is selectable/copyable.
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you be specific as to what etymology you mean? I linked the extended discussion above. The Wiktionary page I linked to, as well as many other etymological pages on the web say what I did above. There are many things that could be true, but they do not all have the same likelihood. Even NPR [1] and the history channel [2] have pages on the etymology of ketchup. [1] https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12…
The wiktionary link earlier says to visit this for an extended discussion which provides a few more possible origins. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchup#Etymology
Yes. That wiktionary link and text was posted by me in my comment.
My question was to name specifically which etymology on a secondary page is more likely than the one listed at the main entry and on almost all etymology websites? The burden of proof is on the person who wrote, "it feels like it should be stressed more strongly that the etymology you quoted is not necessarily the strongest contender".
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#27Photos don’t load on mobile :/
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#28I think I have also inadvertently recreated the "carbonized panis quadratus" in my home oven recently. Side note: pretty paranoid website owner to have disabled all text selection/copying functions (or overlaid it with a transparent object)...
Reader mode of safari disables such bull
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#29I love all history of bread making, I find it super interesting i wasn general the discover of foods we take for granted. Protip: make your own ketchup sometime..hot dang it's easily to see why it became ubiquitous..and then cry over how terrible the mass produced stuff is ;)
> make your own ketchup sometime Any recipe you prefer? Also, fun fact, tomatoes are a new world plant. So, no ketchup in the EU until after trade between America and Europe was established.
Sorry for the late reply, Jamie Oliver's Jamie at home cookbook is the one I use for ketchup (and I do BBQ chicken his way now)
I'm a huge fun of the guy as he made the approach easy on cooking.
Re: Baking bread with the Romans part III – the panis quadratus strikes back (2018)
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ketchup really just means a fruit based sauce, so it long preceded the arrival of the tomato.
> Ketchup really just means a fruit based sauce No, it doesn't. > so it long preceded the arrival of the tomato. It did, but ketchups before tomato weren't necessarily fruit based. The original British version (and thus, the first American version, from which the other pre-tomato version derived) was mushroom based. Fruit, nut, egg, and bivalve-based versions all existed. (And the historical origin is in Asian fermen…
I have to frickin try this now!! Dude thank you for the knowledge drop, I had no idea it first started as mushroom based.