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A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by numpad0 »

superchroma wrote: post #192
NamTaf wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To some degree, that doesn't matter . An underlying feature of a competent approach to safety in design is that the design must take maximal ownership of eliminating risk to all people in all scenarios that can be reasonably expected to result from the design. The moment Telsa set expectations by proclaiming it as autopilot, they took the corresponding responsiblity to make sure it did not generate any scenarios whic…

Pretty much this. They could have called it Super Cruise Control or something and I'm pretty sure nobody would have anything to say, because it is expected that cruise control be supervised, but, I think people wouldn't be quite as willing to pay a lot of money for a feature that didn't sound so remarkable.

Self driving technology did seem to reach human parity in 5 years back in 2010s, and the growth was later revealed to be logarithmic than exponential, and Elon doubled down on a bad bet on it.

It’s not about whether they should have clarified the scope, the scope did include a completely automatic driving. It just that they failed to deliver(tbf no one truly made it).

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by numpad0 »

dmingod666 wrote: post #135

There are clear perimeters set in industrial settings when robots are in operation for this precise reason. I'm sure the devs could have used much lower force values when dealing with the prices or put logic in place where if a hand is on the board the robot disengages. Hindsight is 20/20.. Looked horrific could barely watch for a few seconds.

Not every robots has force sensors and configurable force settings. Some only has overcurrrent error reporting, or only take positional inputs.

The “correct” way to do this is to use weakened “cobot” type robots that are specifically designed to be operated around humans, add at least a laser fan-beam fence that robot is not allowed to move while any object is detected by it, and put a big red button somewhere with a guy in charge of pressing it as well.

The fence is a must at the very least.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by trhway »

smsm42 wrote: post #90

It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away". It's not only on the big political scene - it's everywhere, from a village grocery store to a national federation. If you admit any mistake and any responsibility for anything, you're an idiot and a "loch" (pronounced the same as Scottish lake, but means a person to be take…

>It's Russia we're talking about. In Russia, the default mode of answering any complaint is "it's your own fault, we're not responsible, go away".

a related joke from USSR times. A foreigner from a civilized West country walking on a Moscow street falls into an open unmarked unattended trench. When people help him get out, he is furious - "How come the trench isn't fenced with say a rope with red markers?!" and gets response "Crossing the border coming into USSR you did see the red flags at the entry point, didn't you?"

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by agumonkey »

anigbrowl wrote: post #462
agumonkey wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly the same but there's the legendary McDonald's lawsuit after some customer burned his finger after dropping his coffee.

Legendary in the sense that you got all the details wrong. If you're answering someone saying 'citation needed' the least you can do is look up what you want to reference first so you can actually share useful information instead of multiplying confusion. If you can't remember or don't have time to look something up, you can just not reply.

How else would I get to enjoy your magnificent replies then ?

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by romwell »

0x737368 wrote: post #13
romwell wrote: post #4

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Thank you for your indepth analysis but what has this to do with the article?

The fact that the article and the discussion are ignoring the war, which is the elephant in the room.

Discussing Russian tech and status symbols (like chess-playing robots) is giving that pariah state a veneer of legitimacy it may not have any longer.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by romwell »

throwaway0x7E6 wrote: post #16
romwell wrote: post #4

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oh wow, really? totally missed that in the news. I was wondering why did all twitter they/them suddenly put that flag in their username

Since we're on that note, Russia is openly oppressive to queer people. It's illegal to say anything in public that suggests it's acceptable to be gay after a recent change in "gay propaganda" laws.

Ramzan Kadyrov, the de-facto tsar of the subdued republic of Ichkeria (aka Chechnya as a part of Russian Federation) has openly ran an extermination campaign against gay people.

So "they/them" worldwide do have a reason to support Ukraine in this war, besides basic human decency (in which your comment is, sadly, lacking).

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by romwell »

planarhobbit wrote: post #17
romwell wrote: post #4

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HN isn’t the website for this kind of rhetoric.

You're almost correct.

HN isn't the website for this kind of article.

Highlighting the context of the content (which the article carefully omitted) is what HN is all about.

Russian tech is used to murder people in my country. It's hypocritical to be discussing Russian tech while trying to censor the mentions of its applications.

HN isn't the website for this kind of hypocrisy.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by salawat »

etrautmann wrote: post #88
salawat wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By OOD, do you mean Out Of Domain?

Not the parent but presumable “out of distribution” meaning being faced with inputs outside of the statistics of the training data set.

I suppose that's a nice way of saying "We never trained it not to break someone's finger".
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