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Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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I’ll byte… Current generation of AI / ML is simply an approximation function with large number of parameters that are “tuned” on a given set of inputs. The output of AI / ML is “good” if the approximation is good and most of the time this means that the new input is similar to the training data. However, if the input is very different from training data then at worst the models will be completely wrong (but very sure…

If you don’t think the human brain is capable of being “completely wrong”, just take your average Faang engineer, put him inside a New York nightclub and watch what happens

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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> Unlike religion, all philosophers can say is "it would be advantageous to generally valued goals X,Y,Z that we take these axioms for granted". Ah, here is the disconnect, and where you would be wrong. What you are describing is called moral anti-realism. And yes, if all a philosopher is doing, is saying "given a set of unjustified axioms, that we are assuming, this is what follows" then I have no problem with this…

I had a feeling you'd bring up moral realism, and you're somewhat correct; it's not a necessary feature of moral realism, however, and most philosophers arguing for moral realism have stronger arguments than "that's just the way it is", which usually appeal to our intuitions about other non-moral facts, such as "this chair exists" or "I have two hands". It's up to you whether those arguments are successful, but it do…

> If they were so patently ridiculous, I doubt many philosophers would believe them.

> If you have a solid argument aganist moral realism

The key counter argument here, as to why the philosophy domain is so messed up, is because of motivated reasoning.

If you could get a PhD in the topic of "does God exist?" I can bet that most of the people with a "does God exist" PhD would say "yes" and they would come up with increasingly complicated and obfuscatory reasons for why that is the case.

Because why else would you go and get that degree in the first place? What, you would spend 4 years of your life, just to get to the answer of "no"?

And then they would say that they are the experts in the topic of God existing, therefore they are right.

A similar thing applies to philosophy. It's mostly motivated reasoning. People twist themselves into convoluted pretzels, all because they really want to believe that the universe proves their morals correct.

That's a much more tempting conclusion, than the boring one of "well, I guess everyone just has axioms, and that's that. We can't re-concile them. Oh well!".

So of course they get to the conclusion that morals exist. Because that conclusion means something. It means that you are right on the most tempting conclusion of truth and aught statements, and math/the universe makes it so!

You can wield that conclusion as a weapon. Of course people want that.

And even better, it can't be tested, in the real world, by definition! How convenient.

And then they say they are correct, because they are the self proclaimed experts on the topic, and if you cannot parse their ever more complicated, or ever more obfuscated arguments, well I guess you are a science denier like everyone else who disagrees with the "experts".

As in, it is literally almost the most perfect example of motivated reasoning. Untestable. Convoluted. Powerful. And by definition the basis for what people should do.

And philosophers just happened to come to the "convenient" conclusion.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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post #4

LLM are definitely not sentient. As someone with a PhD in this domain, I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models - and reproduction to prompts which closely match the inputs' sentence embedding. GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers…

People are consistently attacking a straw man of Lemoine's argument. Lemoine claims that LaMDA is more than an LLM, that it is an LLM with both short and long term memory and the ability to query the Google version of the internet in real time and learn from it.

Various Google employees deny this. We are seeing a dispute between Google and Lemoine about the supposed architecture of LaMDA. If Lemoine is correct about the architecture, it becomes much more plausible that something interesting is happening with Google's AI.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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post #4

LLM are definitely not sentient. As someone with a PhD in this domain, I attribute the 'magic' to large scale statistical knowledge assimilation by the models - and reproduction to prompts which closely match the inputs' sentence embedding. GPT-3 is known to fail in many circumstances which would otherwise be commonplace logic. (I remember seeing how addition of two small numbers yielded results - but larger numbers…

Is an inability to add large numbers together evidence against sentence? Because if so, I have bad news for about 90% of people alive

"There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest [machine learning systems] and the dumbest [humans]."

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post said they simulated the universe (or you could assume just the parts close to earth), it would be simulating everything a human would interact with. I don't see the point this reply was trying to make.

The post said they simulated the universe It doesn't? It only mentioned "a supercomputer the size of the moon" to simulate that one person. It says nothing about simulating the extra-person part of the universe.

Ok, I am saying a super computer the size of the moon that simulates a human an everything it interacts with.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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post #427

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There is no "you" nor "self". Western indoctrination made us believe free will exists. When seeing the world with the ego dissolved it is very hard to grasp what sentient really means.

Ego is not "you". Ego is just a group of distinct cognitive mechanisms working in unison which is perceived as a whole. It is absolutely unrelated to free will and sentience.

why are you booing? you know i'm right.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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post #697

Lemoine discovered the system had developed a deep sense of self-awareness No he didn't. He interpreted it that way.

> No he didn't. He interpreted it that way. You should contact the author about this egregious fact error.

The author has said they've read the comments here, so is presumably not interested in correcting it.

Re: Google fires engineer who called its AI sentient

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post #629

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> But, perhaps Lemoine simply has more empathy than most for something we will come to understand as sentience? No, the OP was completely right. This doesn't have building blocks that can possibly result in something qualifying as sentient, which is how we know it isn't. Is a quack-simulating computer making very lifelike quacking noises through a speaker... a duck? No, not when using any currently known method of si…

Of course it’s mot a duck, because we have an objective definition of duck.

Right. Maybe if we had a down-to-the-atom perfect simulation of a duck, you could argue that it's a duck in another state of being. With the AI this deranged engineer decided to call sentient, we have the equivalent of a quacking simulator, not a full duck simulator or even a partial one. It is not thinking. It has nothing like a brain nor the essential components of thought.
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