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Post by stickfigure »

notch656a wrote: post #117
jameshart wrote: post #95

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There is a threshold where it’s acceptable though. For example: the general rate of skiing injuries is about 1 injury per thousand skier days. Ski resorts will sell a day pass to let you experience that 0.1% injury risk as Long as you sign a disclaimer.

A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable. Risk imposed on you by someone else or a machine operated by someone else is not at all like a risk imposed on yourself by you personally skiing with your own legs off the mountain, into an unmechanized tree. IMO there is a huge difference between something that brings mechanical force to you (robot, ski lift) vs you bringing mechanical force…

> A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable.

People are injured getting off ski lifts all the time.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by UncleEntity »

dmix wrote: post #137
godelski wrote: post #58

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Honestly, as someone that researches ML, this is my major concern. It isn't AGI that has the potential to kill us, it is current ML systems that can't handle OOD data and engineers put it in place because "that's the user's fault." Same reason we have Teslas crashing. AI safety might talk about AGI a lot, but their main area of research is modern systems and concerns over that. OOD data is really hard to deal with FW…

Are there any other major examples of modern ML ethical issues besides some Tesla cars killing their drivers? Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else. The only other modern AI ethics stuff I hear about is making image generators more politically correct and maybe some criminal sentencing algorithms that are being misused (which isn’t really an AI ethics…

> Are ML driven robots in factories killing people or Something? Because I haven’t heard of anything else.

All the videos on the YouTubes I’ve seen show industrial robots with crazy amounts of safety equipment where you can’t get close enough to it while it’s running for someone to get hurt.

I have seen people experimenting with robot arms next to their CNC machine where it could easily take off someone’s head if you piss it off but these are small shops where they expect the operator to keep on the robot’s good side, no inappropriate sexual comments and biology shaming.

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by antoniuschan99 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #47
antoniuschan99 wrote: post #38

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I have a robot arm (Dobot MG400), it has a has a force sensitivity setting (5 levels) that stops when a collision happens. There's also an e-stop that you can hit that will stop the robot.

Out of curiosity, what do you use it for? I'd love to play around with one but I can't think of many use-cases beyond showing it off to guests.

It’s to move pcbs for firmware uploading and testing.

I built the jig for firmware uploading and testing last year. Had to place the pcb on the jig manually and wait (~2 minutes) for the process to complete.

I’m building the robot cell this year which will do a batch of ~15 pcbs at a time.

I update often on Social Media! http://www.instagram.com/kokonautinc

MG400 is really affordable, Dobot also has a smaller educational/tinker version called the Magician (lots of other ones: uArm, mycobot/mypalletizer, mirobot, etc). A step above the MG400, price wise, would be an Epson Scara or a 6-dof Yaskawa MotoMini. Lots of Scara Robots in the 5-20k price range. 6-dof like UR3 or Motoman Mini are like 20-50k. Ebay has a bunch of used ones that are much cheaper too!

Re: A chess robot in Moscow has broken the finger of its human opponent

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Post by Schiendelman »

thisishard wrote: post #154

I watched the video and the robot most certainly did not grab the boy's index finger. Sequence of events 1. The robot was capturing the boy's queen with a bishop. For that, it first removed the queen from the board. 2a. The robot next moved the bishop onto the square where the queen was previously located. 2b. At the same time, the boy prematurely moved his rook to the same square, he completed the move before the bi…

Right, this is why when we have robots that operate around humans we make sure they sense behaviors like that, and that they don’t use enough force to hurt humans.

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Post by notch656a »

stickfigure wrote: post #161
notch656a wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable. Risk imposed on you by someone else or a machine operated by someone else is not at all like a risk imposed on yourself by you personally skiing with your own legs off the mountain, into an unmechanized tree. IMO there is a huge difference between something that brings mechanical force to you (robot, ski lift) vs you bringing mechanical force…

> A ski lift that breaks legs one day per thousand would never be acceptable. People are injured getting off ski lifts all the time.

Ski lift fatality rate is about 1/10 of cars, with only one death per 700 million miles traveled and average of 0.34 deaths per year.

Ski lift is one of the safest modes of transports known to man. It probably saves many lives vs someone walking up the mountain. That is, unlike the chess robot it creates a comparative net decline in risk for achieving the task of climbing a mountain. A wildly overbuilt (for the task) industrial robot as designed in this configuration here creates a net increase in risk vs playing against a much weaker human hand.

https://www.missionridge.com/sites/default/files/NSAA%20Lift...

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Post by oaiey »

tomger wrote: post #59

In the beginning, there was man. And for a time, it was good. But humanity's so-called civil societies soon fell victim to vanity and corruption. Then man made the machine in his own likeness. Thus did man become the architect of his own demise - second renaissance

I remember

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Post by DS_Store_51927 »

hosh wrote: post #121
birdyrooster wrote: post #96

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Come on, there is no way they are that cartoonish.

That jives with what I heard and the English translated Russian pop literature I have read. Besides, caveat venditor is more of an American thing, with most of the world being caveat emptor . Having said all of that, I don't think robotics and AI is the kind of thing we "move fast and break things".

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