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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by lapcat »

vorticalbox wrote: post #372
lapcat wrote: post #129

My Twitter account has been suspended multiple times, the last time for an obvious joke. As with the article author here, Twitter reviewed my appeal and denied it. https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/twitter4.html In the end I caved, giving Twitter my phone number and deleting the tweet, because I need my Twitter account for professional purposes. But now guess what, there was a data breach, and hackers are selling m…

This is why you do not use a work/professional account for things other than work.

How do you judge what's work and what's not work? For many people, such as the self-employed, their online presence is part of their brand, and Twitter is professional networking.

This applies to both Craig and myself.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by saxonww »

cgriswald wrote: post #371
saxonww wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally people would just quietly stop using Twitter and services like it en masse, but that's not going to happen, so it's reasonable for people to complain about mistreatment. And that's what this is: the author got banned for their post violating a 'revenge porn' rule when that's not even close to what they posted. Twitter's content moderation didn't work here. It banned someone incorrectly. That person used the a…

This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

Yes, it was rude. And if Twitter wants to ban someone for being rude, that's their prerogative and I support it.

I also support the rude person relating how they were banned for violating a rule they don't think they could possibly have violated, and I can look at it and say "Wow this person was rude but that was yet another instance of Twitter being stupid. I probably wouldn't like this person. I'm also not interested in using Twitter."

Also: while we'll never know for sure, do you really think the appeal would have been successful if he instead wrote "Hello Twitter, could you take another look at this? I posted a 5 second clip from a new video game about a stray cat, and was banned for violating your revenge porn rule. Can you help me understand how the rule applies to this clip? Sincerely, User"? Because I sure don't.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by q-big »

bratbag wrote: post #353
q-big wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These societal rules and norms, are, and should be governed by a democratic process. By deleting your account at services that show such a licentious behaviour, you can cast your democratic vote against such services. Not doing this or at least starting or joining a huge riot against such services as soon as you hear about such licentious behaviour means casting a democratic vote that what the big tech company is d…

I don't think you know what a democratic vote is.

"Democratic vote" does not only mean "put ballot paper into ballot box". You can also vote with your feet.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by soraminazuki »

pvg wrote: post #380
soraminazuki wrote: post #365

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Wow, the author got falsely accused of posting revenge porn, a criminal act by the way, and your answer is take it? Why are you so intent on attacking the author’s character for simply defending himself?

Twitter's auto moderation screwing up on your cat game video is not being 'falsely accused of posting revenge porn, a criminal act'.

Excuse me? That is exactly what Twitter accused the author of doing. The policy which Twitter referred to according to the article has the words “Non-consensual nudity policy” written in huge letters [1]. Do those words mean something other than revenge porn?

[1]: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/intimate-medi...

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by TekMol »

benlivengood wrote: post #378
TekMol wrote: post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

> I really long for a future where content is published in a freely available database. Free to read from and free to write to. Where a post is a content addressable piece of data signed by the author. And comment too. And where a like is a cryptographically signed message, "I like this /joe". And where the order of your "feed" is not adjusted by outside forces. Spammers and griefers historically conquer that kind of…

Usenet does not have the data needed to filter spam. A system of cryptographically signed follows and likes would.

My client could calculate a "karma" value for each post. How many of my friends follow the poster? How many of my friends friends? How many of my friends friends friends? How many of my friends liked the post? How many of my friends friends. And so on.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by pvg »

soraminazuki wrote: post #394
pvg wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter's auto moderation screwing up on your cat game video is not being 'falsely accused of posting revenge porn, a criminal act'.

Excuse me? That is exactly what Twitter accused the author of doing. The policy which Twitter referred to according to the article has the words “Non-consensual nudity policy” written in huge letters [1]. Do those words mean something other than revenge porn? [1]: https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/intimate-medi...

They sent him an automated private message misidentifying one of his videos. This is obviously lame and annoying but no, he was not accused of a crime he did not commit or have to escape from a military stockade into the Los Angeles underground.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by exodust »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #346
mkl95 wrote: post #10

> Overnight, I received a response that my appeal had been denied. So a human being, someone who works at Twitter dot com, looked at that video, looked back at the rule it was breaking, looked once again at the video, and went “Yeah, this all checks out.” My guess is that appeals are either processed by some simple code or offloaded to some cheap labour service - such as Amazon Mechanical Turkey or some sweatshop in…

The author responded in the appeal with "You cannot possibly be this dense." If you want to win an appeal, starting by accusing your appeal reviewer of being dense isn't a good strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a rule that covers this type of behavior in appeals, and the appeal was denied due to language instead of the content itself. Is it fair? From a content moderation perspective, no it's not. But I…

> behave nicely

Towards AI that just banned you?

The appeal process could be another AI. It's concerning how close you are to suggesting we "be nice" to the robots who wrongly ban us in the first place.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by vorticalbox »

lapcat wrote: post #391
vorticalbox wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why you do not use a work/professional account for things other than work.

How do you judge what's work and what's not work? For many people, such as the self-employed, their online presence is part of their brand, and Twitter is professional networking. This applies to both Craig and myself.

I would likily ask myself if this post is likily to effect my online presence and if the answer to that question is anything but a sound no then I wouldn't post it.

That said my online presence isn't part of my professional life. So my opinion probably isn't worth much.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by TekMol »

ezoe wrote: post #369
TekMol wrote: post #13

Every time I read about these dystopian deplatforming events on Hacker News, my first reaction is to write a comment on how we could find our way out of this. Then the term "Web3" comes up in my mind, and then I think "Oh now, this is HN, they will burn you alive" and I turn to other things again. But right now, for some reason I feel so strongly about, I'll give it another try. Wouldn't it be great if we could tackl…

Are you young? Because, we once had the web3 you're describing about. Back when P2P was a trending technology, we implemented most of the web on peer to peer mesh network. File sharing, forum, web pages, we had it all. The conclusion is, it was so inefficient most people don't want to use it. That's why people of today use Hacker News rather than P2P forum, trusting the central authority that is Y Combinator. Are you…

Are you old? You think it is easy to post on Instagram? Haha! Kids go to insane lengths to optimize their reach. They would swim through a lake of piss and puke for a popular post. I now some who sit all evening and "follow, unfollow, like and comment" stuff they are not interested in at all. It's a drag. It's work. It's exhausting. And everybody hates Instagram.

Why do they do it?

Because on Instagram, you can earn social currency: Likes and follows. A currency that gives you an advantage in the real world.

You can't do that with the technologies you mention.

But one could do it even better if likes and follows were cryptographically signed messages. Then a like from a celebrity is something that nobody can ever take away from you again.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by rpdillon »

cgriswald wrote: post #371
saxonww wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally people would just quietly stop using Twitter and services like it en masse, but that's not going to happen, so it's reasonable for people to complain about mistreatment. And that's what this is: the author got banned for their post violating a 'revenge porn' rule when that's not even close to what they posted. Twitter's content moderation didn't work here. It banned someone incorrectly. That person used the a…

This guy is upset that the free service he uses employs imperfect AI and it affected him personally. I agree we shouldn't be using AI for everything and we might even include humans after an AI makes a call just to verify the call. However, that has a cost and this guy isn't paying. I'd guess this guy wouldn't pay, because having to deal with occasional AI errors is part of the cost and he clearly doesn't want to pay…

I wouldn't characterize "You can't possibly be this dense" as verbal abuse. Twitter loses credibility every time they enforce their own policies inconsistently. OP's incredulity that an actual human could look at that video and think it was revenge porn seems well-placed. The points about whether OP has paid Twitter money seem irrelevant; this is about Twitter enforcing their own policies correctly, not about some kind of standard of paid customer service.
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