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Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by duncan-donuts »

gwnywg wrote: post #259
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

I had felt the same in 2015 when I got banned from Facebook for not providing my real data (they asked me to provide a photo of my ID which I thought and still think was silly). But then I realised how good it was for me (as a user) and started thinking maybe we should aim to go back to the 'small Internet'. By this I mean small forums, maybe chat rooms or something of that sort. I often go back in memories to the la…

I think about this too and know it’s mostly nostalgia too. I’m curious about community organized LANs and running older tech. I also concede that almost no one actually wants to run this shit so it seems very unlikely anyone would want it.

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Post by TheRealPomax »

bryan0 wrote: post #193

> You cannot possibly be this dense. Who is the dense one here? You just insulted a person who has to look at a million of these, and had absolutely nothing to do with the misclassification, and then you’re surprised when they rejected your appeal. Remember there are actual people reading your words (at least for now)

Yeah, heaven forbid you follow you company's policies as outlined for the appeal process, better to power-trip because someone who was banned from the platform, the harshest punishment your company has, is fully-expectedly-vocal about being mistreated.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by efitz »

Facebook has been using ML to detect “revenge porn” images since at least 2018.

Likely they don’t know any more than you or intone else does why their ML classifies your image that way. In fact, one of my pet peeves about ML is that most of the time no one can meaningfully explain why it made any particular decision (they can explain inputs and weights and the algorithms used and matrix math, etc, but can’t say “the model was 93% sure that part of the image was a penis”).

Anywhow if an actual human did look at your first appeal, you did not do yourself any favors calling them “dense”. People don’t like it when you call them stupid[1].

[1] https://www.theonion.com/people-dont-like-it-when-you-call-t...

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by dorkwood »

At least Twitter has an appeal process. My Instagram account was switched off without warning. If I try to log in on desktop, I get a message telling me to "confirm your information using the Instagram app to try to get back to your account". The problem is that if I try to log in to the app, all I get is a black screen. This happens on both Android and iPhone. There are some buttons on the Android version, but the interface is unresponsive. It's like I'm stuck in some sort of verification loop that I'm unable to close.

When I tell people about this problem, they immediately act like I've done something wrong. "Is your app up to date? You probably need to update something", is the common refrain.

I've tried all the online guides. All my software is up to date. All I want at this point is to delete my account. But I can't, since the deletion link takes me to a page that asks I log into the app to try to get back to my account.

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Post by chimeracoder »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #267
uncletaco wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Growing up in Birmingham, AL I had a couple teachers who had dog bites and remembered the hoses from when they tried to shout out whatever they wanted in public squares. It's always interesting how people have such a rosy view o…

They remember the dog bites because its cases where the government acted illegally and were taken to task. Today, the governing actor of our virtual public squares are corporations - and a significant amount of people (maybe not you) seem to be ok with them taking what actions they wish.

> They remember the dog bites because its cases where the government acted illegally and were taken to task.

Uh, no. Society has whitewashed the history of the Civil Rights Movement, but popular sentiment at the time was not with Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, the other freedom riders, etc.

Civilians and the government sometimes acted illegally, sure, but some of those actions were absolutely legal. (Not to mention that the government often leaned on citizens to take illegal vigilante action so that "the government" wouldn't have to - the distinction was not always clear cut).

And either way, it's hard to make the argument that they were "taken to task. Even after Brown v. Board, it took over a decade for many local governments (even in the North!) to be forced into compliance. And the actual individuals responsible for the illegal actions rarely faced any serious consequences.

EDIT: Clarified the point of legality.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by blueberrychpstx »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

> A perfectly pristine public square filled not with people, but consumers staring at advertising boards.

Just beautifully written. Do you happen to have a blog?

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

AlbertCory wrote: post #274
OrangeMonkey wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I am interpreting this correctly, and I may not be, it seems like you are saying "The online world does not contain public squares, and that is because we need to change what everyone else in the world considers a public square." If I am interpreting that correctly, I don't know what I can add here. I don't necessarily disagree, but I think we have moved past that possibility. How many of us know our neighbors and…

I didn't know many neighbors until I started walking a cute, friendly dog. You should try that.

Nearly all my conversations with neighbors involve dogs or flowers.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by beebmam »

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

> the online world is our current public square

That's right, and that's why virtually no one ever gets banned from using the internet. Twitter is not "the online world".

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by piva00 »

ezoe wrote: post #271
piva00 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Japan has APPI and as far as I know APPI is semi-equivalent to GDPR (which would be the EU's "horrible" Internet law, which doesn't apply only to the Internet btw). So you might hate Japan as well, right?

At least, Japanese court will reject to apply these law on foreign entities for they have no jurisdiction.

And the EU tries to apply it to local subsidiaries if those are "main establishments" of data processing. There is a provision on finding the main establishment to avoid loopholes where local subsidiaries in the Union could hide the main company behind a legal entity in the Union (as was the case with Google LLC when they got fined by CNIL). Japanese courts not having this provision is a major drawback, which I don't believe they would leave open.

Relevant GDPR regulation:

> Article 4(16) of the GDPR states that ‘main establishment’ means:

> - as regards a controller with establishments in more than one Member State, the place of its central administration in the Union, unless the decisions on the purposes and means of the processing of personal data are taken in another establishment of the controller in the Union and the latter establishment has the power to have such decisions implemented, in which case the establishment having taken such decisions is to be considered to be the main establishment;

> - as regards a processor with establishments in more than one Member State, the place of its central administration in the Union, or, if the processor has no central administration in the Union, the establishment of the processor in the Union where the main processing activities in the context of the activities of an establishment of the processor take place to the extent that the processor is subject to specific obligations under this Regulation;

Keep hating the EU, US and so on but your local place has very similar provisions around data privacy and it's considered almost completely aligned with GDPR.

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